lipoli390 wrote:Batum was David Kahn's holy grail. Let's trade Wiggins for Batum and then bring back David Kahn as head of player development.
The failed pursuit of dlo does bring back some memories of our failed pursuit of batum.
The difference was kahn did clear enough cap space at the last minute and batum signed but portland matched. Dlo on the other hand never signed and no cap space was cleared although we supposedly have 'deals lined up'.
And that difference is why David Kahn was terrible and Rosas isn't. It's Ok to fail. What not OK is stupidity. To clear space for Batum, Kahn traded a future 1st round pick to dump Wes Johnson's contract. He really thought he was getting Batum. The the fact is, he had no commitment. Gersson was smart and declined to pull the trigger on a cap-clearing deal until he got an iron-clad commitment from Russell - a commitment he never got.
Don't forget that while David Kahn was clearing space for the guy who never came, he also signed Brandon Roy based on some injection that was going to somehow restore knees that were so bad he had to retire - in spite of all the medical advice to the contrary. Wow. I sort of forgot how bad it was.
Were talking about how bad kahn's era was and we haven't even gotten to darko yet...
lipoli390 wrote:Batum was David Kahn's holy grail. Let's trade Wiggins for Batum and then bring back David Kahn as head of player development.
The failed pursuit of dlo does bring back some memories of our failed pursuit of batum.
The difference was kahn did clear enough cap space at the last minute and batum signed but portland matched. Dlo on the other hand never signed and no cap space was cleared although we supposedly have 'deals lined up'.
And that difference is why David Kahn was terrible and Rosas isn't. It's Ok to fail. What not OK is stupidity. To clear space for Batum, Kahn traded a future 1st round pick to dump Wes Johnson's contract. He really thought he was getting Batum. The the fact is, he had no commitment. Gersson was smart and declined to pull the trigger on a cap-clearing deal until he got an iron-clad commitment from Russell - a commitment he never got.
Don't forget that while David Kahn was clearing space for the guy who never came, he also signed Brandon Roy based on some injection that was going to somehow restore knees that were so bad he had to retire - in spite of all the medical advice to the contrary. Wow. I sort of forgot how bad it was.
Were talking about how bad kahn's era was and we haven't even gotten to darko yet...
2 things.
1. Batum was a restricted FA with the Blazers having the ability to match. The Wolves just needed a commitment from Russell because everyone knows he wasn't going back to the Nets. I believe Kahn had to actually clear the space to even offer the contract...which the Blazers matched.
2. The Roy contract was a typical Kahn swing for the fences on a talent. It didn't work but what were we really out? 5 million that's it. It was a 2 year deal with the 2nd year non-guaranteed. 5 million back then wasn't a small amount of money but one thing I will always give Kahn credit for was he did actually take some fairly cheap risks on high end talent. None of them worked out but he did try and the Wolves really didn't have a star at the time...well Love turned out to be one but anywho... Remember the good times of the Wolves and Blazers having a little rivalry because of various dealings? Didn't the signing of Roy make the Blazers have to pay more money? it made the deal worth it right there. lol jk
lipoli390 wrote:Batum was David Kahn's holy grail. Let's trade Wiggins for Batum and then bring back David Kahn as head of player development.
The failed pursuit of dlo does bring back some memories of our failed pursuit of batum.
The difference was kahn did clear enough cap space at the last minute and batum signed but portland matched. Dlo on the other hand never signed and no cap space was cleared although we supposedly have 'deals lined up'.
And that difference is why David Kahn was terrible and Rosas isn't. It's Ok to fail. What not OK is stupidity. To clear space for Batum, Kahn traded a future 1st round pick to dump Wes Johnson's contract. He really thought he was getting Batum. The the fact is, he had no commitment. Gersson was smart and declined to pull the trigger on a cap-clearing deal until he got an iron-clad commitment from Russell - a commitment he never got.
Don't forget that while David Kahn was clearing space for the guy who never came, he also signed Brandon Roy based on some injection that was going to somehow restore knees that were so bad he had to retire - in spite of all the medical advice to the contrary. Wow. I sort of forgot how bad it was.
Were talking about how bad kahn's era was and we haven't even gotten to darko yet...
2 things.
1. Batum was a restricted FA with the Blazers having the ability to match. The Wolves just needed a commitment from Russell because everyone knows he wasn't going back to the Nets. I believe Kahn had to actually clear the space to even offer the contract...which the Blazers matched.
2. The Roy contract was a typical Kahn swing for the fences on a talent. It didn't work but what were we really out? 5 million that's it. It was a 2 year deal with the 2nd year non-guaranteed. 5 million back then wasn't a small amount of money but one thing I will always give Kahn credit for was he did actually take some fairly cheap risks on high end talent. None of them worked out but he did try and the Wolves really didn't have a star at the time...well Love turned out to be one but anywho... Remember the good times of the Wolves and Blazers having a little rivalry because of various dealings? Didn't the signing of Roy make the Blazers have to pay more money? it made the deal worth it right there. lol jk
Monster - There's no excusing or mitigating Kahn's stupidity that summer. The point is you don't trade a first round pick to clear space for a guy without knowing you'll get the guy. Kahn assumed the Blazers wouldn't match. Well, you can't assume something like that. That's executive malfeasance. The Roy deal, by the way, was part of what created the need to trade a first round pick to clear space. It was the combination of Roy and the offer to Batum. And Roy wasn't a high-end talent at that point. He was a player whose knees were so bad he had to retire. I was told that the medical advice Kahn received internally was that Roy's injections wouldn't work. Kahn was acting like a reckless gambler steeped in fantasy. You don't get credit for trying when what your are trying to do is reckless or just plain dumb.
Of course, as WorldK reminded us, the mastermind behind the these moves was the same guy who gave Darko a multi-year contract that eventually required the Wolves to waste their one special CBA salary-cap exception when that exception could have otherwise been used for Pek. Again, Kahn was living out a fantasy, thinking that Darko was something he had already proven he wasn't. It was Kahn's arrogance that led him to believe that the other 30 teams were wrong about Darko -- who was about to go back to Europe because no other team in the League would even offer him a contract, much less one that paid $5 million per year guaranteed for 3 years.
Sorry, but when I start to recall the reign of David Kahn my anger and frustration boil over. :)
lipoli390 wrote:Batum was David Kahn's holy grail. Let's trade Wiggins for Batum and then bring back David Kahn as head of player development.
The failed pursuit of dlo does bring back some memories of our failed pursuit of batum.
The difference was kahn did clear enough cap space at the last minute and batum signed but portland matched. Dlo on the other hand never signed and no cap space was cleared although we supposedly have 'deals lined up'.
And that difference is why David Kahn was terrible and Rosas isn't. It's Ok to fail. What not OK is stupidity. To clear space for Batum, Kahn traded a future 1st round pick to dump Wes Johnson's contract. He really thought he was getting Batum. The the fact is, he had no commitment. Gersson was smart and declined to pull the trigger on a cap-clearing deal until he got an iron-clad commitment from Russell - a commitment he never got.
Don't forget that while David Kahn was clearing space for the guy who never came, he also signed Brandon Roy based on some injection that was going to somehow restore knees that were so bad he had to retire - in spite of all the medical advice to the contrary. Wow. I sort of forgot how bad it was.
Were talking about how bad kahn's era was and we haven't even gotten to darko yet...
2 things.
1. Batum was a restricted FA with the Blazers having the ability to match. The Wolves just needed a commitment from Russell because everyone knows he wasn't going back to the Nets. I believe Kahn had to actually clear the space to even offer the contract...which the Blazers matched.
2. The Roy contract was a typical Kahn swing for the fences on a talent. It didn't work but what were we really out? 5 million that's it. It was a 2 year deal with the 2nd year non-guaranteed. 5 million back then wasn't a small amount of money but one thing I will always give Kahn credit for was he did actually take some fairly cheap risks on high end talent. None of them worked out but he did try and the Wolves really didn't have a star at the time...well Love turned out to be one but anywho... Remember the good times of the Wolves and Blazers having a little rivalry because of various dealings? Didn't the signing of Roy make the Blazers have to pay more money? it made the deal worth it right there. lol jk
Monster - There's no excusing or mitigating Kahn's stupidity that summer. The point is you don't trade a first round pick to clear space for a guy without knowing you'll get the guy. Kahn assumed the Blazers wouldn't match. Well, you can assume something like that. That's executive malfeasance. The Roy deal, by the way, was part of what created the need to trade a first round pick to clear space. It was the combination of Roy and the offer to Batum. And Roy wasn't a high-end talent at that point. He was a player whose knees were so bad he had to retire. I was told that the medical advice Kahn received internally was that Roy's injections wouldn't work. Kahn was acting like a reckless gambler steeped in fantasy. You don't get credit for trying when what your are trying to do is reckless or just plain dumb.
Of course, as WorldK reminded us, the mastermind behind the these moves was the same guy who gave Darko a multi-year contract that eventually required the Wolves to waste their one special CBA salary-cap exception when that exception could have otherwise been used for Pek. Again, Kahn was living out a fantasy, thinking that Darko was something he had already proven he wasn't. It was Kahn's arrogance that led him to believe that the other 30 teams were wrong about Darko -- who was about to go back to Europe because no other team in the League would even offer him a contract, much less one that paid $5 million per year guaranteed for 3 years.
Sorry, but when I start to recall the reign of David Kahn my anger and frustration boil over. :)
I just wanted to point out the machinations...and now we got it all...my bad...should have left that one alone. =) I think the worst decision Kahn ever made was that Darko deal. We know now they had to beg the guy to play basketball and take their money. He was done. They didn't take no for an answer. Its like asking a girl out and her answer is..."I guess so" its probably not going to go well. I wouldn't have felt too good if that was my wife's response when I proposed! It wasn't the worst in terms of damage to the franchise but just a horrendous decision given the knowledge there in front of them (Rambis too)...ugh lets stop talking about the meercat.
lipoli390 wrote:Batum was David Kahn's holy grail. Let's trade Wiggins for Batum and then bring back David Kahn as head of player development.
The failed pursuit of dlo does bring back some memories of our failed pursuit of batum.
The difference was kahn did clear enough cap space at the last minute and batum signed but portland matched. Dlo on the other hand never signed and no cap space was cleared although we supposedly have 'deals lined up'.
And that difference is why David Kahn was terrible and Rosas isn't. It's Ok to fail. What not OK is stupidity. To clear space for Batum, Kahn traded a future 1st round pick to dump Wes Johnson's contract. He really thought he was getting Batum. The the fact is, he had no commitment. Gersson was smart and declined to pull the trigger on a cap-clearing deal until he got an iron-clad commitment from Russell - a commitment he never got.
Don't forget that while David Kahn was clearing space for the guy who never came, he also signed Brandon Roy based on some injection that was going to somehow restore knees that were so bad he had to retire - in spite of all the medical advice to the contrary. Wow. I sort of forgot how bad it was.
Were talking about how bad kahn's era was and we haven't even gotten to darko yet...
2 things.
1. Batum was a restricted FA with the Blazers having the ability to match. The Wolves just needed a commitment from Russell because everyone knows he wasn't going back to the Nets. I believe Kahn had to actually clear the space to even offer the contract...which the Blazers matched.
2. The Roy contract was a typical Kahn swing for the fences on a talent. It didn't work but what were we really out? 5 million that's it. It was a 2 year deal with the 2nd year non-guaranteed. 5 million back then wasn't a small amount of money but one thing I will always give Kahn credit for was he did actually take some fairly cheap risks on high end talent. None of them worked out but he did try and the Wolves really didn't have a star at the time...well Love turned out to be one but anywho... Remember the good times of the Wolves and Blazers having a little rivalry because of various dealings? Didn't the signing of Roy make the Blazers have to pay more money? it made the deal worth it right there. lol jk
I just suddenly recall that a blazer fan named blazerfanatic started coming over the forum and posting during the batum free agency thing. He would stayed on and some say to troll us for almost the whole season after and got into verbal fights and heated exchanges with many posters here. Another david kahn legacy to us posters here.
lipoli390 wrote:Batum was David Kahn's holy grail. Let's trade Wiggins for Batum and then bring back David Kahn as head of player development.
The failed pursuit of dlo does bring back some memories of our failed pursuit of batum.
The difference was kahn did clear enough cap space at the last minute and batum signed but portland matched. Dlo on the other hand never signed and no cap space was cleared although we supposedly have 'deals lined up'.
And that difference is why David Kahn was terrible and Rosas isn't. It's Ok to fail. What not OK is stupidity. To clear space for Batum, Kahn traded a future 1st round pick to dump Wes Johnson's contract. He really thought he was getting Batum. The the fact is, he had no commitment. Gersson was smart and declined to pull the trigger on a cap-clearing deal until he got an iron-clad commitment from Russell - a commitment he never got.
Don't forget that while David Kahn was clearing space for the guy who never came, he also signed Brandon Roy based on some injection that was going to somehow restore knees that were so bad he had to retire - in spite of all the medical advice to the contrary. Wow. I sort of forgot how bad it was.
Were talking about how bad kahn's era was and we haven't even gotten to darko yet...
2 things.
1. Batum was a restricted FA with the Blazers having the ability to match. The Wolves just needed a commitment from Russell because everyone knows he wasn't going back to the Nets. I believe Kahn had to actually clear the space to even offer the contract...which the Blazers matched.
2. The Roy contract was a typical Kahn swing for the fences on a talent. It didn't work but what were we really out? 5 million that's it. It was a 2 year deal with the 2nd year non-guaranteed. 5 million back then wasn't a small amount of money but one thing I will always give Kahn credit for was he did actually take some fairly cheap risks on high end talent. None of them worked out but he did try and the Wolves really didn't have a star at the time...well Love turned out to be one but anywho... Remember the good times of the Wolves and Blazers having a little rivalry because of various dealings? Didn't the signing of Roy make the Blazers have to pay more money? it made the deal worth it right there. lol jk
I just suddenly recall that a blazer fan named blazerfanatic started coming over the forum and posting during the batum free agency thing. He would stayed on and some say to troll us for almost the whole season after and got into verbal fights and heated exchanges with many posters here. Another david kahn legacy to us posters here.
Lol. I haven't thought of that guy in years. But I do remember him. He was that mosquito that keeps coming back buzzing around your ear until you go insane.
As for the Kahn era... I think Rambis has to be included with him when mentioned. Along with Kahn eating his own ear wax while on tv at a game.
As for Brandon Roy, there were people on the previous version of this board who definitely believed it was gonna work out. It was fine as a gamble, but a definite longshot. I don't remember just how much it affected the Batum stuff...
"We feel like if he was in the draft this year, Terry Rozier would have been a lottery pick." - Mitch Kupchak
Please make sense of this... or better yet... Rosas, just go take advantage of that franchise.
The Hornets just agreed to pay Rozier $58M over 3 years...
I don't care if it's Wiggins, Dieng, Teague, Covington or KAT... but if the Wolves are looking at swindling another NBA franchise, they MUST look toward Charlotte. What on Earth are they thinking down there?
AbeVigodaLive wrote:"We feel like if he was in the draft this year, Terry Rozier would have been a lottery pick." - Mitch Kupchak
Please make sense of this... or better yet... Rosas, just go take advantage of that franchise.
The Hornets just agreed to pay Rozier $58M over 3 years...
I don't care if it's Wiggins, Dieng, Teague, Covington or KAT... but if the Wolves are looking at swindling another NBA franchise, they MUST look toward Charlotte. What on Earth are they thinking down there?
Lol. I think it's been clear for a while that Kupchak is an idiot. This last comment is just a reminder. So yes, Rosas needs to swoop in and take advantage of the situation in Charlotte. If Kupchak thinks Rozier would be a lottery pick this year, then he must see Wiggins as a future hall-of-famer.
AbeVigodaLive wrote:"We feel like if he was in the draft this year, Terry Rozier would have been a lottery pick." - Mitch Kupchak
Please make sense of this... or better yet... Rosas, just go take advantage of that franchise.
The Hornets just agreed to pay Rozier $58M over 3 years...
I don't care if it's Wiggins, Dieng, Teague, Covington or KAT... but if the Wolves are looking at swindling another NBA franchise, they MUST look toward Charlotte. What on Earth are they thinking down there?
Lol. I think it's been clear for a while that Kupchak is an idiot. This last comment is just a reminder. So yes, Rosas needs to swoop in and take advantage of the situation in Charlotte. If Kupchak thinks Rozier would be a lottery pick this year, then he must see Wiggins as a future hall-of-famer.
Wow. Why can't more of the Western Conference franchises do dumb things like this!? That is crazy. Yeah, we should absolutely be on the phone with them to talk Wiggins.
