lipoli390 wrote:monsterpile wrote:lipoli390 wrote:TheFuture wrote:lipoli390 wrote:You don't need good perimeter shooters at all five starting positions to be successful in today's NBA. Right now, the Wolves have big-time shooters/scorers at three of the five starting positions in Towns, DLO and Beasley. One of those three, Towns, is a 40% 3-point shooter at the C or PF position. KAT is unique as the most offensively gifted big in the League. That gives the Wolves the luxury of pairing KAT with a defensive, shot-blocking big. That's what the Wolves should do and that's why I see Wiseman as a potentially good fit next to KAT.
Having said that, I agree with those who say that Rosas and Ryan have demonstrated that they have no intention of playing a defensive big next to KAT. I think they are stubbornly wrong-headed in that regard, but that's the reality from last season and I'm not counting on them changing. So unless Rosas and Flip change their approach, this franchise won't get much beyond the 7th or 8th seed because to build a championship caliber team around KAT requires pairing him with a defensive, shot-blocking center. I still think KAT can improve defensively, but at this point I only see him improving at the margins.
I agree that they've shown no inclination to, I just do think it is the wrong approach.
As you're one of few who are not against the two tower method, I ask you this:
Would you offer Indiana our top pick, the 33rd, and James Johnson for Myles Turner?
He would be absolutely perfect next to KAT.
Future - You and I have the same perspective on this. If I were Rosas, I'd do the deal you suggested. Turner is not he physical inside presence I'd ideally want and he's a subpar rebounder for his size and position. However, he's a bona fide shot-blocker who could significantly bolster our inside defense with his mobility and rim protection. And he's also the someone Rosas and company might be interested in because he has SF mobility and a decent shot with 3-point range. So I think you've put your finger on a potentially realistic deal as well as a good one for the Wolves.
Our top pick AND 33 for Turner (who I suggested earlier as an option) Plus having to pay him (even if you think his salary is reasonable) seems like too much. I value 33 in any draft but this one it might have even more value. It might be more of a crap shot but it may have some more chance of getting you a good player because this draft is so wonky. It's basically a low 1st round pick with a dirt cheap salary. The Wolves NEED to add players like that with their cap situation Heck James Johnson has some value in this deal as well especially to the Pacers who would Likely want a guy that can play. Our top pick and James Johnson the most I would give up for Turner. I'd take my chances of getting a Myles Turner level player with 2 draft picks and save a bunch of cap space the next few years in doing so.
FWIW thinking about picking Wiseman made me think the Wolves should feel some pressure to make some moves to be able to win some more games sooner than later so Towns doesn't decide to leave. I also don't think they should make moves scared of that scenario. If Towns wants out then extract a King's ransome and Build around whatever you have. That's too easy for me to say and also too easy to actually play out but that's how I see it.
Monster - You make a good point about the value of the 33rd pick. You also make a good point about Turner's contract and the Wolves' need to manage their cap space given the big salaries they have on the books in KAT, DLO, and probably Beasley. I actually think that our top pick plus James Johnson without including #33 would be a fair offer. A lot depends on who's available. If the Wolves are convinced that a franchise player (maybe Ball) is available when on the clock with their top pick, then they shouldn't trade that pick for Turner or anyone else. Similarly, if they're convinced they will get someone are good or better than Turner at #33, then they shouldn't offer that pick for Turner. But Turner is a proven NBA talent who would provide much-needed rim protection this team doesn't currently have. So Future's idea is tempting.
Think about it this way. The Wolves would be paying likely at least 10 million more a year for Turner than the 1st round pick. What kind of mid-level FA could you also sign with that money that you probably aren't getting if you add Turner for the season a year from now. Also worth considering is the salary cap may go down so that would make Turner's salary less reasonable. Where the cap lands is going to make a deal for Beasley REALLY interesting. How will Rosas navigate that? If Beasley is willing to bet on himself a 1 year deal with a player option might be his best bet. If I was the Wolves I think I would be open to that kind of move Assuming the price was low like ai would expect it to be. If Beasley plays well and opts out for a big deal and is worth it fine tell Glen to pay the Lux tax if you need to to keep him. It does seem like with a strange unprecedented time coming this front office has people that seem likely to actually have done the research into the numbers and what to do and actually implement what they know. Will they make the right Basketball decisions? Idk but I have some actual faith in their ability to make produce worthwhile analytical Projections about contract values etc. that hasn't been a strength of the organization although I think Flip did a better job on contracts he gave players than people tend to remember he did.
