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[AbeVigodaLive]

As much as I want Thibs gone, the fact that this team seems to be regressing back to the mean tells me the players have just as much responsibility. We can't make trades and change coaches every ten games.

Remember Hoiberg was in the draft room for Johnny Flynn! Haha. Kidding. He might be a good choice. Talent is the biggest ingredient but never before has coaching and front office been more important in the game IMO. It's changed so much in 10 years.

Could one of you actually look up Flynn's stats before you rip him as a draft choice. Johnny was a good PnR PG coming into the NBA and played for a coach in Rambis that all but forbid him from running it, and instead forced him into the triangle. Somehow the kid still put up respectable numbers. The only negative is that he suffered a career ending injury.

It's fair to rip Flynn as a draft choice for this organization... in part because of the way they used him.

There was all sorts of speculation that Curry was the better pick at the time. And that would seem to make even more sense if they weren't going to let a pick-and-roll PG run the pick-and-roll.

And I know there was all sorts of confusion around that time with coaching timing and all of that. But that ultimately, goes back on the owner. Again.

[bleedspeed]

Could one of you actually look up Flynn's stats before you rip him as a draft choice. Johnny was a good PnR PG coming into the NBA and played for a coach in Rambis that all but forbid him from running it, and instead forced him into the triangle. Somehow the kid still put up respectable numbers. The only negative is that he suffered a career ending injury.

AMEN

[Monster]

As much as I want Thibs gone, the fact that this team seems to be regressing back to the mean tells me the players have just as much responsibility. We can't make trades and change coaches every ten games.

Remember Hoiberg was in the draft room for Johnny Flynn! Haha. Kidding. He might be a good choice. Talent is the biggest ingredient but never before has coaching and front office been more important in the game IMO. It's changed so much in 10 years.

Could one of you actually look up Flynn's stats before you rip him as a draft choice. Johnny was a good PnR PG coming into the NBA and played for a coach in Rambis that all but forbid him from running it, and instead forced him into the triangle. Somehow the kid still put up respectable numbers. The only negative is that he suffered a career ending injury.

It's fair to rip Flynn as a draft choice for this organization... in part because of the way they used him.

There was all sorts of speculation that Curry was the better pick at the time. And that would seem to make even more sense if they weren't going to let a pick-and-roll PG run the pick-and-roll.

And I know there was all sorts of confusion around that time with coaching timing and all of that. But that ultimately, goes back on the owner. Again.

All i remember was at some point after the Kahn era was over and he said something like about how there was consensus around the organization aboutpicking Flynn there was a Wolves scout that basically ran screaming out of his office with his report on Flynn basically suggesting that Fynnn was Kahn's pick and I think there has been plenty of reporting to support that. Anyhow that's story just cracks me up so I shared it.

I'm a big Hoiberg fan but the idea of handing him this fanchise and saying be the guy to lead this team to where we want to go...I don't know Why at this point he would be at the top of the list based on merit.

[mjs34]

As much as I want Thibs gone, the fact that this team seems to be regressing back to the mean tells me the players have just as much responsibility. We can't make trades and change coaches every ten games.

Remember Hoiberg was in the draft room for Johnny Flynn! Haha. Kidding. He might be a good choice. Talent is the biggest ingredient but never before has coaching and front office been more important in the game IMO. It's changed so much in 10 years.

Could one of you actually look up Flynn's stats before you rip him as a draft choice. Johnny was a good PnR PG coming into the NBA and played for a coach in Rambis that all but forbid him from running it, and instead forced him into the triangle. Somehow the kid still put up respectable numbers. The only negative is that he suffered a career ending injury.

It's fair to rip Flynn as a draft choice for this organization... in part because of the way they used him.

There was all sorts of speculation that Curry was the better pick at the time. And that would seem to make even more sense if they weren't going to let a pick-and-roll PG run the pick-and-roll.

And I know there was all sorts of confusion around that time with coaching timing and all of that. But that ultimately, goes back on the owner. Again.

This has nothing to do with the player, or Hoiberg for that matter.

It was also common knowledge that Curry and Derozan let it be know that they had no interest in Minny at the time. Curry wasn't a no brainer pick. He was an undersized shooting guard out of a small college.

CHAD FORD'S BIG BOARD
Name Pos. From Stock
1. Blake Griffin PF Oklahoma Up
Reminds us of a young Carlos Boozer. Watch Video
2. Hasheem Thabeet C Connecticut Up
Thabeet is finally living up to hype. Watch Video
3. James Harden SG Arizona State Up
He isn't flashy, but is lethally effective. Watch Video
4. Ricky Rubio PG Spain Up
Will his game translate to the NBA? Watch Video
5. Tyreke Evans SG Memphis Up
Reminds scouts of Jerry Stackhouse. Watch Video
6. Jonny Flynn PG Syracuse Up
Explosive athlete with lateral quickness. Watch Video
7. Jordan Hill PF Arizona Up
Needs strength but has explosiveness. Watch Video
8. Stephen Curry PG Davidson Up
Scoring machine can play the point, too. Watch Video
9. DeMar DeRozan SG USC Up
Size and skill draw Kobe comparisons. Watch Video
10. Brandon Jennings PG Italy Up
A risk, but in this draft, a good one.

[bleedspeed]

Monster - I think he seems like the perfect successor to Flip. I think the questions I would have for him are about building the culture and how he would change that.

[Monster]

Monster - I think he seems like the perfect successor to Flip. I think the questions I would have for him are about building the culture and how he would change that.

There was an article I read recently about years ago someone visiting Iowa State for a story and a player was basically running late and Hoiberg was just chilling at practice. The reporter was surprised and he spoke to a staffer about some things that said "Fred doesn't give a shit" meaning he was pretty laid back about stuff. I'm not suggesting that someone has to be Uber intense all the time or whatever but that was an interesting story and did make me wonder. I also wonder if Hoiberg would be interested in being an executive or if he would just be waiting to get back to coaching. Remember I'm a big Hoiberg fan. My parents are both from Ames I visit the area multiple times a year. If Hoiberg wasn't sort of a local guy there would be no talk about this guy as a possible option. If that's what we did I would be excited and hope for the best but I would have a lot of concerns probably even more than when we brought Flip back. I'd hope we would do a pretty extensive search. This should be a reasonably attractive job.

Just to be clear I would hold NOTHING against Hoiberg from the Kahn days. I've often been on the fence about whether or not he would have left for Iowa state if he wasn't working for Kahn. The more that comes out About Kahn I wonder even more even though obviously the Iowa State job was a terrific spot to be and he was VERY good there.

[Duke13]

As much as I want Thibs gone, the fact that this team seems to be regressing back to the mean tells me the players have just as much responsibility. We can't make trades and change coaches every ten games.

Remember Hoiberg was in the draft room for Johnny Flynn! Haha. Kidding. He might be a good choice. Talent is the biggest ingredient but never before has coaching and front office been more important in the game IMO. It's changed so much in 10 years.

Could one of you actually look up Flynn's stats before you rip him as a draft choice. Johnny was a good PnR PG coming into the NBA and played for a coach in Rambis that all but forbid him from running it, and instead forced him into the triangle. Somehow the kid still put up respectable numbers. The only negative is that he suffered a career ending injury.

Ahhh, no I won't take the time to look up his stats. All I know is Curry has 2 MVP's and 3 rings and is a historic player. I made the comment more tongue n cheek. Didn't think there was much to debate there.

[AbeVigodaLive]

As much as I want Thibs gone, the fact that this team seems to be regressing back to the mean tells me the players have just as much responsibility. We can't make trades and change coaches every ten games.

Remember Hoiberg was in the draft room for Johnny Flynn! Haha. Kidding. He might be a good choice. Talent is the biggest ingredient but never before has coaching and front office been more important in the game IMO. It's changed so much in 10 years.

Could one of you actually look up Flynn's stats before you rip him as a draft choice. Johnny was a good PnR PG coming into the NBA and played for a coach in Rambis that all but forbid him from running it, and instead forced him into the triangle. Somehow the kid still put up respectable numbers. The only negative is that he suffered a career ending injury.

It's fair to rip Flynn as a draft choice for this organization... in part because of the way they used him.

There was all sorts of speculation that Curry was the better pick at the time. And that would seem to make even more sense if they weren't going to let a pick-and-roll PG run the pick-and-roll.

And I know there was all sorts of confusion around that time with coaching timing and all of that. But that ultimately, goes back on the owner. Again.

This has nothing to do with the player, or Hoiberg for that matter.

It was also common knowledge that Curry and Derozan let it be know that they had no interest in Minny at the time. Curry wasn't a no brainer pick. He was an undersized shooting guard out of a small college.

CHAD FORD'S BIG BOARD
Name Pos. From Stock
1. Blake Griffin PF Oklahoma Up
Reminds us of a young Carlos Boozer. Watch Video
2. Hasheem Thabeet C Connecticut Up
Thabeet is finally living up to hype. Watch Video
3. James Harden SG Arizona State Up
He isn't flashy, but is lethally effective. Watch Video
4. Ricky Rubio PG Spain Up
Will his game translate to the NBA? Watch Video
5. Tyreke Evans SG Memphis Up
Reminds scouts of Jerry Stackhouse. Watch Video
6. Jonny Flynn PG Syracuse Up
Explosive athlete with lateral quickness. Watch Video
7. Jordan Hill PF Arizona Up
Needs strength but has explosiveness. Watch Video
8. Stephen Curry PG Davidson Up
Scoring machine can play the point, too. Watch Video
9. DeMar DeRozan SG USC Up
Size and skill draw Kobe comparisons. Watch Video
10. Brandon Jennings PG Italy Up
A risk, but in this draft, a good one.

1. I literally just wrote "ultimately, that goes back on the owner." I didn't blame Hoiberg for anything. Kahn. Rambis. Taylor. There are so many more worthy candidates for that era of shitty Wolves hoops.
2. Curry had "no interest" in GSW either. He only worked out for four teams: New York, Washington, Sacramento and Charlotte. He also said this, ""I'll make the best of whatever happens. I'd love to go to New York, but I'm going to show up on time and give my best effort for whatever team that drafts me."
3. Not every scout had Curry ahead of Flynn... or Flynn ahead of Curry. I never said it was a "no-brainer." What we do know is that the man who thought giving a ball-dominant, mediocre shooting PG a ball-dominant (PnR player) mediocre shooting teammate to share the ball while comparing them to a backcourt from a bygone era 30 years prior... was a fucking idiot and one of the most embarrassing hires in pro sports history. And then the owner matched that stupidity by putting one of the worst coaches in NBA history on the sidelines.
4. Personally, I wasn't a fan of Flynn... system or not. He wasn't terrible. He was ok. Somebody has to score on 67-loss teams.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Monster - I think he seems like the perfect successor to Flip. I think the questions I would have for him are about building the culture and how he would change that.

There was an article I read recently about years ago someone visiting Iowa State for a story and a player was basically running late and Hoiberg was just chilling at practice. The reporter was surprised and he spoke to a staffer about some things that said "Fred doesn't give a shit" meaning he was pretty laid back about stuff. I'm not suggesting that someone has to be Uber intense all the time or whatever but that was an interesting story and did make me wonder. I also wonder if Hoiberg would be interested in being an executive or if he would just be waiting to get back to coaching. Remember I'm a big Hoiberg fan. My parents are both from Ames I visit the area multiple times a year. If Hoiberg wasn't sort of a local guy there would be no talk about this guy as a possible option. If that's what we did I would be excited and hope for the best but I would have a lot of concerns probably even more than when we brought Flip back. I'd hope we would do a pretty extensive search. This should be a reasonably attractive job.

Just to be clear I would hold NOTHING against Hoiberg from the Kahn days. I've often been on the fence about whether or not he would have left for Iowa state if he wasn't working for Kahn. The more that comes out About Kahn I wonder even more even though obviously the Iowa State job was a terrific spot to be and he was VERY good there.

There was a documentary about Royce White that came out around draft time. I remember thinking Hoiberg seems very chill during it. It seemed slightly odd to me, but at the same time, was it any different than other programs? I assumed it wasn't... and maybe that was true.

[Coolbreeze44]

At the time I thought Curry was a no brainer, especially after you had already drafted Rubio.