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sjm34 wrote:Why on earth would the vikings start Teddy when he hasn't shown to be any better than Keenum? The team is on a winning streak, keenum has been making solid decisions, and making more downfield passes than Teddy was capable of, and I believe there is something in Teddy's contract that if they don't play him this year, he has another year to go on his deal. Not sure exactly what the details are, but I sure wouldn't want to throw a new deal to Teddy next season.

Teddy looked composed right off as a rookie, but struggled with his arm strength and accuracy downfield. There is no reason to believe he will get substantially better than he was, and his mobility may be worse. Let's make decisions based on what's best for the Vikings, rather than Teddy being a nice guy.

I think we stay with Keenum unless something major happens.


I'm on board with your concerns but here are a few things that are real factors.

1. It sounds like from all the reports that Teddy is legitimately healthy enough to be active. I don't think it would be a good look or maybe even legit to put a healthy guy as our for the year espcially with that contract status. Unless Teddy has some setback it makes sense for them to activate him. That means he is gonna he a FA after this season.

2. Let's say they do activate him which sounds like is likely. They don't have to start him against a Washington. They could have him as a healthy scratch or as the backup. They have options. Now starting him after a bye with plenty of time to prepare him does make a lot of sense and if he struggles you can always go back to Keenum although that's not as easy as it sounds.

3. This isn't about being nice to Teddy and let him put on the field. If they do activate him and have him on the roster they wil have 1 QB signed for next year in Kyle Sloter. Keenum Bradford and Teddy are all FA next year and at this point I'm time all are going to get paid (Keenum is earning top backup money at least) or in Bradford's situation hardly any faith in him being a viable complete season option. Putting Teddy on the field this year gives the franchise some idea what the hell they want to do with the position going forward.

4. We get to the playoffs if Keenum is solid and the rest of the team does it's thing. Is that good enough to make a playoff run? Idk the defense would have to be really good and Keenum would have to perform well. Now if you look at Teddy's stats from his first 2 seasons there isn't a ton to go on there to make you think he is gonna he the guy either. This offensive line this year has been better than any Teddy has had to work with over his 2 seasons and there are some other factors that help around Keenum as well. This franchise probably wants to see what they should do a few months from now than just this season. It's incredibly tricky and fortunately Keenum has been good enough to make this a legit conversation instead of "PLAY TEDDY ASAP!!!!!" chants.

5. Let's say Bradford is done he won't play this year and maybe won't ever play again. We don't know but him being a viable option as the starter you can depend on this year seems very murky. Which option do you feel comfortable with Teddy backing up Keenum or Kyle Sloter? Teddy at least give you hope. Maybe Sloter is good (I don't think the Vikings are gonna want to let him go when they make a move with Teddy) but that seems a lot of ask for even if they like him a lot which i think they do. What's not to like he is tall, mobile, athletic and has a good arm.

Anyway that's a lot of stuff and I do not envy the people with the Vikings making the QB decisions right now. It seems they made the right move to add Keenum as the backup and it was a move I liked more than most Vikings fans. He could still self destruct and Forbath has gotten a lot of FG opportunities so that isn't the best reflection on Keenum but some of that is on the run game.
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Re: Live from London - Vikings vs Browns

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From what I've read Bradford is pretty well done for the season, maybe for life. I agree that if Teddy is healthy enough to play you have to find out, as well as you can, what you have with him before going into the offseason. Right now the only QB I'd be comfortable signing long term is Keenum, simply because Bradford and Teddy are huge health question marks.

Honestly if I were the GM I'd be looking at what possible QB signings may be available outside of those three. Teddy was never more than average and now his mobility is likely to be lessened. Bradford cannot be trusted to last a full season. Keenum is a great backup, nothing more. They have a championship level defense and plenty of talent on offense, find a QB that can take them that last step!
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I felt Teddy was on the verge of a breakout season last year before his injury. I also think he was asked to run an offense that was tailored to his weaknesses instead of strengths. I am not sure how much he can practice this week with the bi-week. We will likely activate him after the bi-week if he looks good enough that he would be better then Sloter. At some point it would be great to keep winning with Kenuum and have a game where Teddy could get a few series in at the end of a blowout.
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Isadora and Hill filled in pretty well. This OL has shown good depth, but we need the starters to get healthy and I am not sure if Easton is actually better then Isadora.
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bleedspeed177 wrote:Isadora and Hill filled in pretty well. This OL has shown good depth, but we need the starters to get healthy and I am not sure if Easton is actually better then Isadora.


FWIW PFF has Sirles graded out the best of the guys that have played LG then Easton and Isidora worst. Regardless the fact that it hasn't seemed like a massive drop off whenever someone else get into action is a real plus.
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Interesting. It seemed like Easton was getting manhandled. I have not seen what is keeping Sirles out, but Isidora getting some backup snaps and doing well is a good sign for next year. (Remember when Clemmings and Beavers would come in after an injury?)
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bleedspeed177 wrote:Interesting. It seemed like Easton was getting manhandled. I have not seen what is keeping Sirles out, but Isidora getting some backup snaps and doing well is a good sign for next year. (Remember when Clemmings and Beavers would come in after an injury?)


Speaking of Clemmings he started for Washington this week and then was hurt late in the game. I think they may have had to put a TE at tackle for a few snaps of that game because the oline was so decimated. Again why can't teams have their whole roster active? Do you really want a TE or someone even worse protecting a QB in a game? It makes no sense.
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You have to find out what you have in Teddy and it will probably only take 1-2 games to find out if he's completely done or if there is hope so it's not a season ending test. We know what we have in Case. Teddy is a Blair Walsh missed bunny from having a playoff win under his belt and we finally have an offense tailored to his style of QB. If not the Redskins I think you have to play him against the Rams and Lions to see how he stacks up against playoff competition. I don't see any reason why we stick with Case all season long unless you think he is a Superbowl caliber QB which I don't think he is. Good enough to get us into the playoffs? Sure. But that doesn't help us short or long-term to just make the playoffs, get bounced and have no idea if Teddy is gonna be able to play or not. You have to play Teddy at some point this year otherwise you could be throwing next year out as well and that would just be dumb.
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Looking at the remaining schedule and I think we will go 4-4. I think if we had Teddy or Sam we would be able to go 6-2. I think we could lose 2 games and in a row and then give Teddy a shot.
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