Souhan: Mitchell, Wolves not the right fit

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CoolBreeze44 wrote:
northernhoops wrote:I'd be fine handing the HC/POBO job over to Van Gundy or Thibs.
Guys I'd be interested (not necessarily invested in) solely as a head coach:
Joeger
McHale
Del Negro
D'Antoni

Thibs for both roles? I don't want him for 1, but 2 would be ridiculous.

I personally, wouldn't mind a POBO who went after some more defensive oriented players. Flip always said he was after 2-way players, but never actually followed through with that, outside of Wiggins (still waiting) and Towns. For example in the 2013 draft, if we were looking for defensive players, we probably would've picked one of Giannis or Gobert. I realize he was taken a slot ahead of Tyus, but I'd much rather have RHJ. I just don't know if defense will ever click for Zach, Shabazz, Tyus, and even Wiggins to some extent. I would be fine with a POBO who went after the Tony Allen or Joakim Noah type of guys in drafts/free agency, with the current construct of our team
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Ideally, I'd want JVG at HC with Thibs as an assistant, like the 08-09 Celtics, but that would be like hoping the Wolves make the playoffs this year
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Due to Flip's untimely passing, he became the interim coach, and Milt Newton became the interim GM. Both situations will be alleviated shortly.

I don't know who the GM will be, but I think it will be somebody who is fine with Joerger (due to Taylor's Minnesota fetish, at least when it comes to coaching/front office).

I see you guys creating a million threads about this team, god bless you. Sam Mitchell is not going to be the coach for long. Pek is back and should be ready to go through camp in October. Not much more discussion is needed on either of these issues.

Right now, the Mild are the best of the four teams in town. 365 days from now, with the right hirings and a little lotto luck with the Wolves, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if The Wild were the worst of the four teams.
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After more thought the last couple days here is where i am with Sam:

First of all I want to say that I've defended Sam some because I thought he deserved at least a shot. I thought he had a very tough circumstance the way everything went down plus a complicated mix of young guys and vets. On top of that things started out well and then of course reality has set in. I defended him because it felt like some people just had their mind made up and I felt like making a counterpoint to that. Having said all that...

I don't think at this point anyone (LST?) is really in support of Sam coming back past this year and some would love to hire another guy this minute even though Inthink most here know that's unrealistic. The team has regressed in every aspect. We have been over all that I think. Here is the thing that has made up my mind about Sam.

Sam has the rhetoric that he has all these young players and they have lack of fundamentals and lack of experience. That's fine I don't have a problem with him tells the media and fans that because it's probably true to some extent. The reality is he can communicate that without tearing down people along the way. He throws all the previous coaches under the bus and he didn't have to. It's really not hard to buy that a lot of these guys aren't ready why trash major college coaches even if they did deserve it (moderately doubtful). Sam goes way over the top to prove his point and it's not needed and yeah he comes off as a jerkhole. Sam hasn't learned enough from his time in Toronto and since then. It's really too bad but it is what it is.

I doubt he is that much different with the players. I'm sure he is doing some positive things and I doubt he is doing irreparable damage but unless this team has some sort of amazing turnaround (doubtful based on the roster) Sam ain't the guy and I am basically sitting back the rest of the season in hoping for some fun basketball at times and watching players to see what we may or may not have while trying to decide what coach or coaches (and basketball executives) sound good to me. The talent level is different but it's sadly another sort of wasted season. Sigh hopefully we can get the right people in here and they can stick for a while.
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I don't like the long term ramifications of hiring McHale even if its as an interim coach.

The perfect coach is Scott Brooks--he's both a proven developer of young talent and a winner. Maybe next would be Thibs as Butler developed from a no-name to a superstar on his watch and he could really tap the defensive potential for our team. Van Gundy and Calipari are a couple other names I would be fine with. I'd only want McHale as coach if we couldn't hire one of the better options out there and if he had a defensive guru on his staff.
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TeamRicky wrote:I don't like the long term ramifications of hiring McHale even if its as an interim coach.

The perfect coach is Scott Brooks--he's both a proven developer of young talent and a winner. Maybe next would be Thibs as Butler developed from a no-name to a superstar on his watch and he could really tap the defensive potential for our team. Van Gundy and Calipari are a couple other names I would be fine with. I'd only want McHale as coach if we couldn't hire one of the better options out there and if he had a defensive guru on his staff.



A lot of variables, but consider this for handling young guys:

- OKC won 50 games with its 2 best players 21 years old.
- OKC won 55 games and made the WCF with its 4 best players aged 21, 21, 22 and 22.
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I liked Brooks to. He was one of my favorite Wolves. Also Thibs has already been an assistant here to Mussleman. How about Thibs and Mussleman?
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AbeVigodaLive wrote:
TeamRicky wrote:I don't like the long term ramifications of hiring McHale even if its as an interim coach.

The perfect coach is Scott Brooks--he's both a proven developer of young talent and a winner. Maybe next would be Thibs as Butler developed from a no-name to a superstar on his watch and he could really tap the defensive potential for our team. Van Gundy and Calipari are a couple other names I would be fine with. I'd only want McHale as coach if we couldn't hire one of the better options out there and if he had a defensive guru on his staff.



A lot of variables, but consider this for handling young guys:

- OKC won 50 games with its 2 best players 21 years old.
- OKC won 55 games and made the WCF with its 4 best players aged 21, 21, 22 and 22.


It also goes back to the players themselves. I just don't see Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka, and Harden (I mean good lord, what an incredible string of draft picks) in Wiggins, LaVine, Gorgui, and Bazz.

Now we do have KAT, and he looks like the real deal. But sorry fellow homers, our collection of young guys do not have the sheer talent of that OKC group.
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CoolBreeze44 wrote:Not sure about McHale as an interim coach, but it can't be any worse than what we have now. But in regard to Souhan's comments on Mitchell I have just one thing to say - "Duh". It shouldn't have taken someone in the twin cities media this long to come to these conclusions.


Cool this podcast with Souhan and AP guy might interest you. It's got a lot of good stuff actually. I've been listening to these all season both guys have really tried to basically give Sam some benefit of the doubt.

I actually find Souhan insightful at times and it wasn't the case for a number of years. Maybe it was how years ago in Ponder's 2nd year he nailed what was wrong with Ponder perfectly. I've paid a little closer attention to him since then. Lol
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bleedspeed177 wrote:I liked Brooks to. He was one of my favorite Wolves. Also Thibs has already been an assistant here to Mussleman. How about Thibs and Mussleman?


That would be pretty fun and as a bonus it would have ties to Flip. Who is the POBO in this scenario?
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