kekgeek1 wrote:I am in the boat that Kris Dunn will be a bust I posted it a long time ago but if you look at the scouting reports of Johnny Flynn and Dunn they are almost identical (minus the height what is a big deal) I just don't like none shooting PG who are not that good at creating for others in college he is no ricky in the playmaking department.
We will see but I am down on Dunn
I am with you. I see a backup PG in him. Not a sta
Same here I just don't see the big upside. I consider him a guy that's a disappointment considering the hype surrounding him. I was reading some fans commenting about him being the next d-wade. That reminds me of Smart or even if you go farther back Foye. I don't think Dunn will be a bust because I think he will be a solid rotation guy but I don't think he will be really good.
lipoli390 wrote:A bust is typically a physically gifted player who generates high expectations and then fails miserably to come anywhere close to meeting those expectations. Some prominent examples who have found their way onto past Wolves rosters include JR Rider, Rashaad McCants, Darko, Kandiman and Wes Johnson. Derrick Williams isn't quite bad enough in my view to be considered a bust, but he's pretty close.
The common thread, other than a medical condition or injury, that seems to run through all NBA busts is the lack of a high motor or to a lesser degree a low basketball IQ. Sometimes it's substance abuse. Nearly all of them had a draft report somewhere questioning their motor. For example, I remember Hoiberg telling me that Derrick Williams liked the NBA lifestyle more than he liked basketball. That's another way of saying Derrick didn't have much of a motor. Smiling Wes was just happy to hang out and talk with the guys on the bench. Darko had no motor. Rider was motivated by his love of drugs and his homies, not by basketball. I remember the rap on him coming out of college was that he only played hard in nationally televised games. The rap on McCants was his questionable motor. The list goes on.
So you ask who I consider most likely to be a bust in this draft class. I'll just do some Internet research and make a list of all those top prospects who have some questions written by someone about their motor. The ones least likely to become busts are those who are regarded as having both a high level of talent and a high-revving motor.
Great post. One nitpick. If Rider is a bust than D-Will is more so. At least Rider was highly productive for a few years.
With stats... yes. But he might have been a worse player for the team... if that makes sense.
kekgeek1 wrote:I am in the boat that Kris Dunn will be a bust I posted it a long time ago but if you look at the scouting reports of Johnny Flynn and Dunn they are almost identical (minus the height what is a big deal) I just don't like none shooting PG who are not that good at creating for others in college he is no ricky in the playmaking department.
We will see but I am down on Dunn
He shot 45% from the field and 38% from 3 this season and 47% and 35% the season before that. Why do you think he is a non-shooting PG? Not everybody has to be Steph to be an effective shooter. 45-47% is very respectable for a PG and 35-37% from 3 is around league average if he can maintain those percentages. He's also 4" taller and 35 lbs heavier than Flynn. That's a huge difference. I think Flynn is a bad comparison. Dunn can shoot the ball and make plays for others. Just because he can't shoot like Steph and make plays like Ricky doesn't mean he can't do either at all. He's actually rock solid in both areas of his game.
I don't see Dunn ending up a bust. First, every Flynn probably wouldn't have been a bust if not for his hip problem. I don't think Flynn would have been an all-star, but absent the hip problem I think he would have been a good rotation player. Second, I haven't read anything about Dunn suggesting any motor or IQ problems.
My bottom line is that Dunn has very good physical tools and very good college stats with no sign of any motor or IQ problems. That's not the makings of a bust. I don't think he'll be an all-star and I'm not even sure he'll become a starter. But I do see him as no worse than a very solid rotation player. That's good enough to avoid the bust label.
kekgeek1 wrote:I am in the boat that Kris Dunn will be a bust I posted it a long time ago but if you look at the scouting reports of Johnny Flynn and Dunn they are almost identical (minus the height what is a big deal) I just don't like none shooting PG who are not that good at creating for others in college he is no ricky in the playmaking department.
We will see but I am down on Dunn
He shot 45% from the field and 38% from 3 this season and 47% and 35% the season before that. Why do you think he is a non-shooting PG? Not everybody has to be Steph to be an effective shooter. 45-47% is very respectable for a PG and 35-37% from 3 is around league average if he can maintain those percentages. He's also 4" taller and 35 lbs heavier than Flynn. That's a huge difference. I think Flynn is a bad comparison. He can shoot the ball and make plays for others. Just because he can't shoot like Steph and make plays like Ricky doesn't mean he can't do either at all. He's actually rock solid in both areas of his game.
If you compare Flynn and Dunn at comparable points in their college careers, Flynn was the superior shooter. Flynn shot 32% on threes as a freshman to Dunn's 29%, and 35% as a sophomore while Dunn made no threes in 106 minutes. Flynn went pro after his sophomore year, and Dunn shot a little worse on threes his junior year than Dunn as a sophomore. Flynn had a much better shooting percentage his first two years than Dunn, and a better career percentage.
If you are going to call Dunn a good shooting PG, you also have to call Flynn a good shooting PG. You're right that Dunn is substantially bigger than Flynn, but I find them very comparable in defense, distributing, shooting and character, and I think that makes Flynn a good comparison.
kekgeek1 wrote:I am in the boat that Kris Dunn will be a bust I posted it a long time ago but if you look at the scouting reports of Johnny Flynn and Dunn they are almost identical (minus the height what is a big deal) I just don't like none shooting PG who are not that good at creating for others in college he is no ricky in the playmaking department.
We will see but I am down on Dunn
He shot 45% from the field and 38% from 3 this season and 47% and 35% the season before that. Why do you think he is a non-shooting PG? Not everybody has to be Steph to be an effective shooter. 45-47% is very respectable for a PG and 35-37% from 3 is around league average if he can maintain those percentages. He's also 4" taller and 35 lbs heavier than Flynn. That's a huge difference. I think Flynn is a bad comparison. He can shoot the ball and make plays for others. Just because he can't shoot like Steph and make plays like Ricky doesn't mean he can't do either at all. He's actually rock solid in both areas of his game.
If you compare Flynn and Dunn at comparable points in their college careers, Flynn was the superior shooter. Flynn shot 32% on threes as a freshman to Dunn's 29%, and 35% as a sophomore while Dunn made no threes in 106 minutes. Flynn went pro after his sophomore year, and Dunn shot a little worse on threes his junior year than Dunn as a sophomore. Flynn had a much better shooting percentage his first two years than Dunn, and a better career percentage.
If you are going to call Dunn a good shooting PG, you also have to call Flynn a good shooting PG. You're right that Dunn is substantially bigger than Flynn, but I find them very comparable in defense, distributing, shooting and character, and I think that makes Flynn a good comparison.
If Flynn was 6'4 220, he would have gone #2 overall that draft. He was a great college player for a guy of his size. If he had legitimate NBA size like Dunn does for a PG he would have likely been an all-star if he stayed healthy.
kekgeek1 wrote:I am in the boat that Kris Dunn will be a bust I posted it a long time ago but if you look at the scouting reports of Johnny Flynn and Dunn they are almost identical (minus the height what is a big deal) I just don't like none shooting PG who are not that good at creating for others in college he is no ricky in the playmaking department.
We will see but I am down on Dunn
He shot 45% from the field and 38% from 3 this season and 47% and 35% the season before that. Why do you think he is a non-shooting PG? Not everybody has to be Steph to be an effective shooter. 45-47% is very respectable for a PG and 35-37% from 3 is around league average if he can maintain those percentages. He's also 4" taller and 35 lbs heavier than Flynn. That's a huge difference. I think Flynn is a bad comparison. He can shoot the ball and make plays for others. Just because he can't shoot like Steph and make plays like Ricky doesn't mean he can't do either at all. He's actually rock solid in both areas of his game.
If you compare Flynn and Dunn at comparable points in their college careers, Flynn was the superior shooter. Flynn shot 32% on threes as a freshman to Dunn's 29%, and 35% as a sophomore while Dunn made no threes in 106 minutes. Flynn went pro after his sophomore year, and Dunn shot a little worse on threes his junior year than Dunn as a sophomore. Flynn had a much better shooting percentage his first two years than Dunn, and a better career percentage.
If you are going to call Dunn a good shooting PG, you also have to call Flynn a good shooting PG. You're right that Dunn is substantially bigger than Flynn, but I find them very comparable in defense, distributing, shooting and character, and I think that makes Flynn a good comparison.
If Flynn was 6'4 220, he would have gone #2 overall that draft. He was a great college player for a guy of his size. If he had legitimate NBA size like Dunn does for a PG he would have likely been an all-star if he stayed healthy.
Chriss - Even more so if he goes top 5, but even in the top 10 I doubt he outperforms his draft position.
Bender - Same deal
Baldwin - Should not be a lottery pick, though he likely will be.
Labisserie - Likely lottery pick, not worth it.
Maker - Bust, I'll be really surprised if someone actually takes him in the first round
My bust guy has to be Bender. The guy has shown nothing outside potential (due to height) to deserve a top 10 nod. I get he is 18, but man, he certainly feels the most risky. Chriss also scares me. Although, in videos, you can see why folks love him. Sky-high athleticism, and a sweet looking jumper. Also, he is still only 18. Seems like a guy that may be high potential...but may take 2-3 years of waiting.
