monsterpile wrote:I don't like the Flynn Dunn comp much actually. Probably the biggest issue is Flynn's hip problem which became a problem late in his rookie year and pretty much ended what would in my mind like Lip said at least been a decent career. It's just not fair to compare Dunn to a guy that really never had a chance to become something because of injury. Once again this is also why Ulis is likely dropped so much in the draft. Hip injuries are bad bad news just ask Percy Harvin.
One of the biggest problems I have with Dunn is his FT%. I would assume he can improve but in 3 years of college he hasn't. I am not a huge fan of his jumper. It looks ok but then he can't shoot FTs? That makes me worried. If he can't shoot FTs late in a game that's something to be concerned about and he has some attributes even as a rotation player you would want at the end of games.
Fortunately for us, we don't need to worry about Dunn's FT shooting in the fourth quarter. 70% free throw shooting does not make him unplayable though. Like has been stated many times here, Dunn was the man in college and was made to force the issue on offense. That wouldn't be the case here, as we don't need him to be a 20ppg scorer. He's going to come in and contribute defensively right away, facilitate for teammates, and is a much better bet than Ricky to go off for those 15-20 pts on any given night. You can bag on his shooting, but he is already a better scorer than Ricky.
If we aren't worried about a guy's low FT percentage in the 4th quarter...then that means he won't be a high level player right? That's my point. I don't see the massive upside with Dunn that's all I don't think he will suck.
I'm not worried about it no, and I do think he will be a high level player. It's unfair to assume Dunn won't improve his FT%, FG%, etc. over the next 3 years in a NBA program while assuming that Chriss will develop a brain, or jamal murray will grow tentacles and dancers feet, or hield will provide anything other than 3pt shooting, or Bender will actually provide anything, etc.
We currently know that Murray has great 3 point shooting ability, decent rebounding, and can put the ball on the deck adequately.
We know Hield provides elite 3 point shooting, decent rebounding, and decent defense.
We know nothing concrete about Bender outside of him being 7 feet and moves well.
We know Chriss has elite athleticism and an improving jumpshot.
Everything else is in question with these guys.
We know Dunn has elite athleticism, elite size/length/strength, plays great defense, has great vision (Those saying otherwise i'm not sure where you're getting that, as he led the NCAA in assists for most of the season ending up 2nd), good rebounding ability, good ballhandling, and decent scoring ability.
There are far less questions about Dunn, and I prefer the known commodity over the unknown.
kekgeek1 wrote:I am in the boat that Kris Dunn will be a bust I posted it a long time ago but if you look at the scouting reports of Johnny Flynn and Dunn they are almost identical (minus the height what is a big deal) I just don't like none shooting PG who are not that good at creating for others in college he is no ricky in the playmaking department.
We will see but I am down on Dunn
He shot 45% from the field and 38% from 3 this season and 47% and 35% the season before that. Why do you think he is a non-shooting PG? Not everybody has to be Steph to be an effective shooter. 45-47% is very respectable for a PG and 35-37% from 3 is around league average if he can maintain those percentages. He's also 4" taller and 35 lbs heavier than Flynn. That's a huge difference. I think Flynn is a bad comparison. He can shoot the ball and make plays for others. Just because he can't shoot like Steph and make plays like Ricky doesn't mean he can't do either at all. He's actually rock solid in both areas of his game.
If you compare Flynn and Dunn at comparable points in their college careers, Flynn was the superior shooter. Flynn shot 32% on threes as a freshman to Dunn's 29%, and 35% as a sophomore while Dunn made no threes in 106 minutes. Flynn went pro after his sophomore year, and Dunn shot a little worse on threes his junior year than Dunn as a sophomore. Flynn had a much better shooting percentage his first two years than Dunn, and a better career percentage.
If you are going to call Dunn a good shooting PG, you also have to call Flynn a good shooting PG. You're right that Dunn is substantially bigger than Flynn, but I find them very comparable in defense, distributing, shooting and character, and I think that makes Flynn a good comparison.
If Flynn was 6'4 220, he would have gone #2 overall that draft. He was a great college player for a guy of his size. If he had legitimate NBA size like Dunn does for a PG he would have likely been an all-star if he stayed healthy.
If my Aunt had balls she would be my uncle.
If people are saying Dunn's a 6'4 220 lbs version of Flynn, then I don't see how he becomes a bust outside of injury. Flynn was halfway decent for a rookie in a horrible system that played to his weaknesses and not his strengths. Flynn was promising before the hip injury.
kekgeek1 wrote:I am in the boat that Kris Dunn will be a bust I posted it a long time ago but if you look at the scouting reports of Johnny Flynn and Dunn they are almost identical (minus the height what is a big deal) I just don't like none shooting PG who are not that good at creating for others in college he is no ricky in the playmaking department.
We will see but I am down on Dunn
He shot 45% from the field and 38% from 3 this season and 47% and 35% the season before that. Why do you think he is a non-shooting PG? Not everybody has to be Steph to be an effective shooter. 45-47% is very respectable for a PG and 35-37% from 3 is around league average if he can maintain those percentages. He's also 4" taller and 35 lbs heavier than Flynn. That's a huge difference. I think Flynn is a bad comparison. He can shoot the ball and make plays for others. Just because he can't shoot like Steph and make plays like Ricky doesn't mean he can't do either at all. He's actually rock solid in both areas of his game.
If you compare Flynn and Dunn at comparable points in their college careers, Flynn was the superior shooter. Flynn shot 32% on threes as a freshman to Dunn's 29%, and 35% as a sophomore while Dunn made no threes in 106 minutes. Flynn went pro after his sophomore year, and Dunn shot a little worse on threes his junior year than Dunn as a sophomore. Flynn had a much better shooting percentage his first two years than Dunn, and a better career percentage.
If you are going to call Dunn a good shooting PG, you also have to call Flynn a good shooting PG. You're right that Dunn is substantially bigger than Flynn, but I find them very comparable in defense, distributing, shooting and character, and I think that makes Flynn a good comparison.
If Flynn was 6'4 220, he would have gone #2 overall that draft. He was a great college player for a guy of his size. If he had legitimate NBA size like Dunn does for a PG he would have likely been an all-star if he stayed healthy.
If my Aunt had balls she would be my uncle.
If people are saying Dunn's a 6'4 220 lbs version of Flynn, then I don't see how he becomes a bust outside of injury. Flynn was halfway decent for a rookie in a horrible system that played to his weaknesses and not his strengths. Flynn was promising before the hip injury.
That's the best point of them all. Even as such, he still proved he could play in the NBA before injuries ruined his career.
Personally, the comparison is super odd to me. They're height, weight, length #'s are way off. If you look at the two years where Dunn was actually a full time starter and compare them to Jonny's numbers then you can see Dunn is a much better rebounder and defender. He shot a better 3pt %, albeit on less attempts. Flynn had better touch around the rim and a better FT%, was a better pick and roll player, overall was a scoring guard. That's not Dunn. Dunn's best attribute is defense, and is a better overall player than Flynn was.
I think one of the confounding draft prospects to me is Skal. On one hand this is a guy that was supposed to be one of the top picks this year and I hear from draft people like Givony he still has all those wonderful skills etc. On the other hand he was underwhelming last year even with Towns as his distant mentor and playing with 2 good guard one of them a very good PG in Ulis. It's not like his workouts have moved him up he is if anything dropped. I can't decide if him being somewhere around a late lottery pick is a good value or he will be some level of disappointment/bust.
I'll say Simmons. If he can play point and be the next Magic Johnson, that would be awesome. But I think he'll be just another run of the mill forward in 3 years.
