TRKO wrote:Charlotte needs a scoring wing, if they offered the 9th pick for Muhammed would you pull the trigger?
The Nuggets look to be in sell mode and apparently Kenneth Faried is on the block. Any takers? That contract doesn't look the best right now, but he brings energy and rebounding to the PF position. You would be buying low at this point.
Where did you see Faried is on the block? If he really is available I'd love to have him. He would be great with Rubio, great for our defense, and great for our energy. Problem is we have 25 assets that can play power forward right now and maybe another couple on the way.
khans2k5 wrote:Bazz hasn't played more than 38 games in a season yet and somehow we're going to really miss him if we trade him for someone else. Really? He hasn't even made it through half an NBA season yet. He has a limited but effective skill set. If you can get a more well rounded player you do it. If Pek is relegated to the bench with Lavine or Martin I don't see a scoring problem with the second unit.
The only reason why Bazz didn't play much his rookie year is because he was drafted an GM who regretted picking him and a coach who didn't trust him. Truth be told, you can say what you just said about ANYONE on the team! We lost 66 games last year! The idea however is construct a team and go from there. We can't be in asset collecting mode forever. If we stink again next year are we gonna be cooking up trade scenarios for Wiggins too?
Pek as far as I'm concerned shouldn't be factored in any way towards our future.
The fact that we were a 66 loss team means everyone but Wiggins is available for the right price. Your thought process that we shouldn't trade Bazz because of what he gives us on the court is flawed because he can't stay on the court. If you've given up on all future contributions from Pek then how can you be so pro Bazz when Bazz has missed a bunch of time due to injury himself? I don't see how that is fair logic. When you lose as much as we did last year you need to shoot for better assets instead of standing pat. A one dimensional player who's skill is one of the most replaceable in the league doesn't get untouchable status.
Everyone on the team got injured. Should we dump them all? Hell, Wiggins was around for every one of those 66 losses so what does that say about him?
HUGE difference between Pek's long injury history and Bazz being hurt last year. If you can't tell the difference between Pek and Bazz for this then I can't help you.
Put it like this: If Bazz's skill set was so replaceable, why does this team have so much trouble acquiring it?
khans2k5 wrote:Bazz hasn't played more than 38 games in a season yet and somehow we're going to really miss him if we trade him for someone else. Really? He hasn't even made it through half an NBA season yet. He has a limited but effective skill set. If you can get a more well rounded player you do it. If Pek is relegated to the bench with Lavine or Martin I don't see a scoring problem with the second unit.
The only reason why Bazz didn't play much his rookie year is because he was drafted an GM who regretted picking him and a coach who didn't trust him. Truth be told, you can say what you just said about ANYONE on the team! We lost 66 games last year! The idea however is construct a team and go from there. We can't be in asset collecting mode forever. If we stink again next year are we gonna be cooking up trade scenarios for Wiggins too?
Pek as far as I'm concerned shouldn't be factored in any way towards our future.
The fact that we were a 66 loss team means everyone but Wiggins is available for the right price. Your thought process that we shouldn't trade Bazz because of what he gives us on the court is flawed because he can't stay on the court. If you've given up on all future contributions from Pek then how can you be so pro Bazz when Bazz has missed a bunch of time due to injury himself? I don't see how that is fair logic. When you lose as much as we did last year you need to shoot for better assets instead of standing pat. A one dimensional player who's skill is one of the most replaceable in the league doesn't get untouchable status.
Everyone on the team got injured. Should we dump them all? Hell, Wiggins was around for every one of those 66 losses so what does that say about him?
HUGE difference between Pek's long injury history and Bazz being hurt last year. If you can't tell the difference between Pek and Bazz for this then I can't help you.
Put it like this: If Bazz's skill set was so replaceable, why does this team have so much trouble acquiring it?
We don't and haven't had scoring problems for years. The problem has been on the defensive side which Bazz does not help. If you trade Bazz and move Martin to the bench Bazz's scoring is replaced. Hell if Martin and Pek come off the bench that will easily replace Bazz and be the best scoring punch we've had off the bench. We've always had scoring in recent years, we just haven't had a defense on the second unit that can stop anyone. Bazz is replaceable. Stop acting like he isn't. Hell, JJ Barea managed to score just 2 PPG's less than Bazz in similar playing time for us his first two years here. Do those 2 extra points make Bazz this irreplaceable guy you make him out to be? The answer is no.
khans2k5 wrote:Bazz hasn't played more than 38 games in a season yet and somehow we're going to really miss him if we trade him for someone else. Really? He hasn't even made it through half an NBA season yet. He has a limited but effective skill set. If you can get a more well rounded player you do it. If Pek is relegated to the bench with Lavine or Martin I don't see a scoring problem with the second unit.
The only reason why Bazz didn't play much his rookie year is because he was drafted an GM who regretted picking him and a coach who didn't trust him. Truth be told, you can say what you just said about ANYONE on the team! We lost 66 games last year! The idea however is construct a team and go from there. We can't be in asset collecting mode forever. If we stink again next year are we gonna be cooking up trade scenarios for Wiggins too?
Pek as far as I'm concerned shouldn't be factored in any way towards our future.
The fact that we were a 66 loss team means everyone but Wiggins is available for the right price. Your thought process that we shouldn't trade Bazz because of what he gives us on the court is flawed because he can't stay on the court. If you've given up on all future contributions from Pek then how can you be so pro Bazz when Bazz has missed a bunch of time due to injury himself? I don't see how that is fair logic. When you lose as much as we did last year you need to shoot for better assets instead of standing pat. A one dimensional player who's skill is one of the most replaceable in the league doesn't get untouchable status.
Everyone on the team got injured. Should we dump them all? Hell, Wiggins was around for every one of those 66 losses so what does that say about him?
HUGE difference between Pek's long injury history and Bazz being hurt last year. If you can't tell the difference between Pek and Bazz for this then I can't help you.
Put it like this: If Bazz's skill set was so replaceable, why does this team have so much trouble acquiring it?
We don't and haven't had scoring problems for years. The problem has been on the defensive side which Bazz does not help. If you trade Bazz and move Martin to the bench Bazz's scoring is replaced. Hell if Martin and Pek come off the bench that will easily replace Bazz and be the best scoring punch we've had off the bench. We've always had scoring in recent years, we just haven't had a defense on the second unit that can stop anyone. Bazz is replaceable. Stop acting like he isn't. Hell, JJ Barea managed to score just 2 PPG's less than Bazz in similar playing time for us his first two years here. Do those 2 extra points make Bazz this irreplaceable guy you make him out to be? The answer is no.
I could've sworn we had the worst scoring bench in the league the year before last..So ud rather hang on to two guys with lengthy injury historys that are much older then Shabazz and play no better defense?
khans2k5 wrote:Bazz hasn't played more than 38 games in a season yet and somehow we're going to really miss him if we trade him for someone else. Really? He hasn't even made it through half an NBA season yet. He has a limited but effective skill set. If you can get a more well rounded player you do it. If Pek is relegated to the bench with Lavine or Martin I don't see a scoring problem with the second unit.
The only reason why Bazz didn't play much his rookie year is because he was drafted an GM who regretted picking him and a coach who didn't trust him. Truth be told, you can say what you just said about ANYONE on the team! We lost 66 games last year! The idea however is construct a team and go from there. We can't be in asset collecting mode forever. If we stink again next year are we gonna be cooking up trade scenarios for Wiggins too?
Pek as far as I'm concerned shouldn't be factored in any way towards our future.
The fact that we were a 66 loss team means everyone but Wiggins is available for the right price. Your thought process that we shouldn't trade Bazz because of what he gives us on the court is flawed because he can't stay on the court. If you've given up on all future contributions from Pek then how can you be so pro Bazz when Bazz has missed a bunch of time due to injury himself? I don't see how that is fair logic. When you lose as much as we did last year you need to shoot for better assets instead of standing pat. A one dimensional player who's skill is one of the most replaceable in the league doesn't get untouchable status.
Everyone on the team got injured. Should we dump them all? Hell, Wiggins was around for every one of those 66 losses so what does that say about him?
HUGE difference between Pek's long injury history and Bazz being hurt last year. If you can't tell the difference between Pek and Bazz for this then I can't help you.
Put it like this: If Bazz's skill set was so replaceable, why does this team have so much trouble acquiring it?
We don't and haven't had scoring problems for years. The problem has been on the defensive side which Bazz does not help. If you trade Bazz and move Martin to the bench Bazz's scoring is replaced. Hell if Martin and Pek come off the bench that will easily replace Bazz and be the best scoring punch we've had off the bench. We've always had scoring in recent years, we just haven't had a defense on the second unit that can stop anyone. Bazz is replaceable. Stop acting like he isn't. Hell, JJ Barea managed to score just 2 PPG's less than Bazz in similar playing time for us his first two years here. Do those 2 extra points make Bazz this irreplaceable guy you make him out to be? The answer is no.
I could've sworn we had the worst scoring bench in the league the year before last..So ud rather hang on to two guys with lengthy injury historys that are much older then Shabazz and play no better defense?
6th worst in '13-'14 in PPG (27.5). 13th in the league in '12-'14 in PPG (34.3). 7th worst this year in PPG (29.7). +/- stats are 3rd worst this year (-2.9), 6th worst last year (-1.3), 10th worst 2 years ago (-1). Stats from NBAdotcom. To put some perspective on it 7/10 of the top bench scoring teams this year were .500 or worse so it's not that important in the grand scheme of things.
If Bazz can stay healthy he could become a starter in this league and put up points and guess what Bazz fits the new NBA trend. Shots close to the rim get to the line and take 3's. Oh yeah and transition buckets. Plus the guys is a rebounding machine. It's just the eye test but he looked a lot better on D this past season than his rookie year (I know that wasn't hard to do) and he seems to have improved enough there I have hope for him. He is a young guy so I'll hold out hope he can get and stay healthy. I'll say this for him he played through that ankle injury for weeks and played well.
I see Bazz as a guy that could be a heck of a starter going before and and it's really not crazy. His likeliness to realize his potential is the 2nd best out of anyone on the team right now only behind Wiggins. I'm really not excited about moving him for an unknown. Teams called about him last summer according to Flip and Flip seems to really like him so I don't think he is going anywhere. If Flip isn't trading Martin than I don't think he is going to be moving Bazz.
Here is the thing the Wolves seem to have enough moveable assets to move up to get a first rounder without giving up a guy like Bazz or Rubio or whatever. Every year we fall in love with picks. If we need to trade up to say #19 or whatever to get a guy we like more than #31 great. Thats the type of moves the good teams have done the past few years. You can get good players outside of the top 10. Flip will do his homework and wil know what guys he values I do hope he can move up and get a 1st rounder and find another worthwhile player.
Camden0916 wrote:I'd be willing to bet we expend our assets (Bjelica, 31 and 36) for a mid-first round pick like most of us here think we will, but I feel like Flip's gonna get cute with it and keep looking for the next Draymond Green type. Kevon Looney fits the bill to a tee.
Monster, I agree with your comments about Shabazz. You can't question his effort on defense, and he has reasanable size and athleticism. Usually those three elements produce a good defender. In Bazz's case, I think he needs to be coached up to become a better defender. Unfortunately, he was out last year during the KG period, so he didn't get the benefit of being yelled at when he was out of position on the court. I think KG can be instrumental in Bazz improving on the defensive end.
longstrangetrip wrote:Monster, I agree with your comments about Shabazz. You can't question his effort on defense, and he has reasanable size and athleticism. Usually those three elements produce a good defender. In Bazz's case, I think he needs to be coached up to become a better defender. Unfortunately, he was out last year during the KG period, so he didn't get the benefit of being yelled at when he was out of position on the court. I think KG can be instrumental in Bazz improving on the defensive end.
A legit defensive coach would help everyone plus if you add a legit rim protector and anchor which Towns could be it changes everything. It's an outlier but look at the Pistons backcourt of Billups and Rip. Both guys were known as bad defenders at their previous teams. They go to the Pistons and suddenly that changed. Part of that was the players themselves, part the system and part Big Ben. GS became a good defensive team a couple years ago with very few impact defenders and many people consider poor defenders. There COULD easily be some big leaps made for the Wolves on that end of the court this year.
monsterpile wrote:If Bazz can stay healthy he could become a starter in this league and put up points and guess what Bazz fits the new NBA trend. Shots close to the rim get to the line and take 3's. Oh yeah and transition buckets. Plus the guys is a rebounding machine. It's just the eye test but he looked a lot better on D this past season than his rookie year (I know that wasn't hard to do) and he seems to have improved enough there I have hope for him. He is a young guy so I'll hold out hope he can get and stay healthy. I'll say this for him he played through that ankle injury for weeks and played well.
I see Bazz as a guy that could be a heck of a starter going before and and it's really not crazy. His likeliness to realize his potential is the 2nd best out of anyone on the team right now only behind Wiggins. I'm really not excited about moving him for an unknown. Teams called about him last summer according to Flip and Flip seems to really like him so I don't think he is going anywhere. If Flip isn't trading Martin than I don't think he is going to be moving Bazz.
Here is the thing the Wolves seem to have enough moveable assets to move up to get a first rounder without giving up a guy like Bazz or Rubio or whatever. Every year we fall in love with picks. If we need to trade up to say #19 or whatever to get a guy we like more than #31 great. Thats the type of moves the good teams have done the past few years. You can get good players outside of the top 10. Flip will do his homework and wil know what guys he values I do hope he can move up and get a 1st rounder and find another worthwhile player.
Where is Bazz gonna start? He has this guy named Wiggins in front of him in the rotation and we have 2 SG's who are both probably good enough to start as well. Lavine's ball handling and shot creation off the dribble make him a better option to start next to Wiggins and Ricky in my opinion. I don't see any way he starts outside of injuries so I'm using him as one of our best trade assets to get back high enough in the draft to get a starting quality player moving forward because Bazz is and will be stuck on the bench behind Wiggins.
