Non-Love trade

[Monster]

The idea that we should dump Martin is sort of mind boggling to me. Its been brought up by me and a couple other poster like Q about how many guys signed for the mid-level actually work out well? Its RARE. So we have Martin who just finished putting up 19ppg and is a shooter who could probably hit open jumpshots from a wheelchair making a million or 2 over what guys will sign for the mid-level and people don't want him? So what if he sucks at defense most shooters suck at defense. We can unload Martin when we find some guys that can hit a jumper on a consistant basis. Right now other than Martin we have one guy that can do that and his name is Love. Martin isn't really overpaid. Do I have concerns about his health? Sure. If we get something back that's actually worthwhile then fine but to just unload him so we don't have to pay him to um hit shots...yeah makes no sense.

While we are at it we might as well hold unto Bud if we aren't getting anything back in the deal. His trade is following the Martell Webster line. We got screwed because the player we got wasn't healthy so we gave up on him and then he went somewhere else and was not that suprisingly successful. Yeah I am not expecting much from Bud but just like Webster if he is healthy he has proven to be a worthwhile rotation player. Health is the only thing holding him back. Let's see what he has unless someone gives us something decent.

[alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]]

They have a top 5 pick and haven't even received the picks yet for taking Jefferson and Biedrins off the Warriors hands. Hard to evaluate the trade when they haven't even received half the assets of the deal yet.

The gamble was being in the top 3 of the draft and getting a superstar. They have no chance now in the near future of drafting or signing a potential even top 20 player.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

I feel like Jeremy Lamb's had a falling out in OKC. Any way we can get him w/o giving up Love or Pek?

Unfortunately the best I could come up with is Pek for Lamb/Perkins/1st.

I also don't think 13 for Lamb is great value, though I wouldn't be mad at it if Stauskas and Harris are off the board by our pick.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

Would they take back Martin and do a Martin and seconds for Lamb/Thabeet's expiring/Perry Jones? It's not like those guys played much during the season anyway. Martin only wanted to come here for Adelman and money and now that Adelman is gone and his deal is locked in, I would see no reason why he wouldn't go back. Jones hasn't been given much of a chance in this league and I would think he could take over backup duties for DC on a cheap, rookie deal.

[Hicks123 [enjin:6700838]]

I still think a deal we need to explore is with Orlando. On a team at the very beginning stages of a rebuild, Afflalo seems to me a logical piece for them to move.

Afflalo for #13/Barea.

Deal may have to be adjusted a bit, but the value for Orlando is another solid building block in a deep draft, as well as a stopgap PG to give them minutes off bench. MN gets an upgrade at the guard spot, allowing us to play Martin on the second unit.

[mjs34]

Let's not move another first round pick for a guy with one year left on his deal. Just sets us up for an overpay or throwing away another pick, plus the 13 is likely to bring a player just as good as Afflalo within a few years. I am done with giving away our assets to satisfy a guy that doesn't want to be here.

[Hicks123 [enjin:6700838]]

sjm, just for reference I am including all #13 picks back to 2000:

Olynyk
Kendall Marshall
Markieff Morris
Ed Davis
Hansbrough
Rush
J. Wright
Sefalosha
Sean May
Telfair
Marcus Banks (my favorite)
Haislip
Richard Jefferson
Courtney Alexander

Now, that is the #13 pick for the past 14 drafts. Some drafts stronger than others, but the point I am trying to make is that out of those 14 players, only 1 contributed at a level near Afflalo, and that is Jefferson. There are a few other decent players in Morris and maybe Olynyk, but there are 9-10 of the 14 players that have never sniffed regular minutes (or in the case of Telfair, shouldn't have). Now, this is a different draft, obviously, but the past 14 years show that your odds are probably about 25% that you even get a guy that can play even a bit role for your team. While I get the issue with his contract, let's not kid ourselves into thinking we are getting a better player than Afflalo at 13 this year. History would say that is absolutely not likely to happen.

And I probably just explained why they wouldn't accept my deal of #13 and Barea.

[mjs34]

What you aren't addressing is his contract and his ability to leave after one season. This is worse then the Love situation because Love will be signing a 5 year deal with ??, and so his current team will only have that option. That means overpaying Afflalo to get him to stay. You also have to consider that the draft pick will be on a rookie deal and guaranteed to be here for at least 5 years if we want him on a much more attractive deal. That means we have a mid level deal to give to someone else, so is Afflalo (who may only be here for one season) worth the rookie and another mid level player.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

I'm a big Afflalo fan and I'm not giving up 13 for him. Hicks, I wonder if you were if you were a fan of trading 18 for Budinger. No way was a good player going to be at 18 right? Welp. Terrence Jones would have been much more valuable than Bud has been, I can tell you that.

[Hicks123 [enjin:6700838]]

Cam, I was a fan of trading #18 for Bud, and I am not a Bud fan. This was simply due to circumstances, because there was no way we were taking a PF at that spot, which was the strength of available guys like Jones, Sully, Nicholson. The team desperately needed a wing player, and there was nothing in the way of a solid guy at that spot. Hindsight and all, yeah a horrible deal, but at the time it made sense.

And noone can be sure that you only have 1 year of Afflalo. He has a player option in what would be year 2 for a good chunk of money. At the point he becomes a FA, we hold the cards to his value. People overvalue cap space here, as if it does anyone any real good. I am fairly certain that Afflalo makes no more on his next deal than he makes today, which would equate to $7M per.....the price you pay for a very good SG in the NBA. Even if we lose Afflalo after next season, I still take this deal each and every time. While you can always point out guys that greatly exceed their draft status (15-30 range), the problem is picking those 2-3 guys from the 15 that will accomplish this feat. So yes, there is always a CHANCE, but it is a gamble you will lose almost every time as an owner and GM...that's just the nature of the draft.