Kyle Anderson traded

[Coolbreeze44]

What you're going to miss is the way he would get his hand on a pass at a crucial time, and his overall experience and smarts. He knew what everyone's job on the floor was. I can understand not being able to pay him, but he will be missed.

[Phenom]

What you're going to miss is the way he would get his hand on a pass at a crucial time, and his overall experience and smarts. He knew what everyone's job on the floor was. I can understand not being able to pay him, but he will be missed.

Yep, I will miss the pickpockets he gets. It seems like it was always on the star players too.

[KG4Ever]

Finch loved him more then I did this last year. He did pass and defend well. It's hard when a guy doesn't or can't shoot the open 3 though. Then it's like 4 on 5. I'm fine with them rolling with youth and rolling the dice a bit. We can as you say still sign vet min guys and KA wasn't really much better, as you point out. You never know, a vet min guy can come in and give us more even if the guys like Minott / Shannon / etc are not ready.

What hurt maybe more than the 3 point shooting issue was he shot under 50% on 2 point shots both in the regular season and the playoffs. The previous year he was well over 50% on 2’s. He was actually even better passing this year than last with more assists and slightly lower Turnovers than last year which means after those first few weeks he was absolutely terrific because he was turning it over early in the season.

I will still say Anderson was quite valuable and may have bounced back to some extent but I don’t think he is near the impact that say Bruce brown was for the Nuggets when they lost him. A guy like Justin Holiday playing Anderson’s minutes on the wing…that may not be that bad. Letting go of Anderson may also open up more Minutes for Naz also.

There aren't many non-Centers these days that can get away with having absolutely zero outside shot, but the ones that do tend to be really good on 2s. Kyle simply missed too many of those 3-10 footers that teams would give him in and around the paint. If he could have cashed those in more often, he would have been much less of an offensive liability despite the lack of a 3-pt shot.

Absolutely Zero?? Well that was because he was injured and I blame Ant for that. Ant fkked him up when he swatted his eye. But SloMo historically hasn't been a zero from outside. SloMo shot 41% from 3 on low volume the prior year and in 2021 he made 1.4 3s at 36%, which is certainly not zero. Kyle said he was starting to get back his depth perception and/or learning to deal with it. Kyle's a decent player in all other ways, so kind of dumb of TC to not bring him back even if its only to be able to have a salary for future trades.

TC has pretty much traded away every first and some seconds, so Wolves sure could have used Kyle not only for his production if his eye sight comes back, but for the salary in trade. I thought it was also dumb not to pay Monte enough to keep him and also Finchy for not playing the dude when our bench was ASS anyways. A healthy Monte has produced well in Denver when he got the minutes and if Finchy unleashed him, he could help more than either of our rookies next year as most rookies notoriously struggle even if they eventually become good players (btw, even Wemby hurt the Spurs as much as helped them with his turnovers, and his erratic outside shooting). While I hope Dilly can be a plus guy in his first season, I don't think we should expect it. He could certainly give up more points with bad defense, turnovers and less efficient offense than his teammates as he adapts). Wolves need an experienced backup point guard to soak up the minutes until Dilly can be a positive overall contributor. Options at point guard are dwindling and I don't like any of the available options better than Monte.

[kekgeek]

What hurt maybe more than the 3 point shooting issue was he shot under 50% on 2 point shots both in the regular season and the playoffs. The previous year he was well over 50% on 2’s. He was actually even better passing this year than last with more assists and slightly lower Turnovers than last year which means after those first few weeks he was absolutely terrific because he was turning it over early in the season.

I will still say Anderson was quite valuable and may have bounced back to some extent but I don’t think he is near the impact that say Bruce brown was for the Nuggets when they lost him. A guy like Justin Holiday playing Anderson’s minutes on the wing…that may not be that bad. Letting go of Anderson may also open up more Minutes for Naz also.

There aren't many non-Centers these days that can get away with having absolutely zero outside shot, but the ones that do tend to be really good on 2s. Kyle simply missed too many of those 3-10 footers that teams would give him in and around the paint. If he could have cashed those in more often, he would have been much less of an offensive liability despite the lack of a 3-pt shot.

Absolutely Zero?? Well that was because he was injured and I blame Ant for that. Ant fkked him up when he swatted his eye. But SloMo historically hasn't been a zero from outside. SloMo shot 41% from 3 on low volume the prior year and in 2021 he made 1.4 3s at 36%, which is certainly not zero. Kyle said he was starting to get back his depth perception and/or learning to deal with it. Kyle's a decent player in all other ways, so kind of dumb of TC to not bring him back even if its only to be able to have a salary for future trades.

TC has pretty much traded away every first and some seconds, so Wolves sure could have used Kyle not only for his production if his eye sight comes back, but for the salary in trade. I thought it was also dumb not to pay Monte enough to keep him and also Finchy for not playing the dude when our bench was ASS anyways. A healthy Monte has produced well in Denver when he got the minutes and if Finchy unleashed him, he could help more than either of our rookies next year as most rookies notoriously struggle even if they eventually become good players (btw, even Wemby hurt the Spurs as much as helped them with his turnovers, and his erratic outside shooting). While I hope Dilly can be a plus guy in his first season, I don't think we should expect it. He could certainly give up more points with bad defense, turnovers and less efficient offense than his teammates as he adapts). Wolves need an experienced backup point guard to soak up the minutes until Dilly can be a positive overall contributor. Options at point guard are dwindling and I don't like any of the available options better than Monte.

I’m guessing TC wanted them both back but it’s really hard to convince an owner to pay around 28 million this year for Kyle and that is an assumption Kyle would not want more money if we did a 1 year deal. Then for Monte Morris he will have a legit chance to possibly start in Arizona while he will he battling for minutes here.


Context matters, it sucks to lose those 2 but those financials are really hard to deal with.

[Q-is-here]

What hurt maybe more than the 3 point shooting issue was he shot under 50% on 2 point shots both in the regular season and the playoffs. The previous year he was well over 50% on 2’s. He was actually even better passing this year than last with more assists and slightly lower Turnovers than last year which means after those first few weeks he was absolutely terrific because he was turning it over early in the season.

I will still say Anderson was quite valuable and may have bounced back to some extent but I don’t think he is near the impact that say Bruce brown was for the Nuggets when they lost him. A guy like Justin Holiday playing Anderson’s minutes on the wing…that may not be that bad. Letting go of Anderson may also open up more Minutes for Naz also.

There aren't many non-Centers these days that can get away with having absolutely zero outside shot, but the ones that do tend to be really good on 2s. Kyle simply missed too many of those 3-10 footers that teams would give him in and around the paint. If he could have cashed those in more often, he would have been much less of an offensive liability despite the lack of a 3-pt shot.

Absolutely Zero?? Well that was because he was injured and I blame Ant for that. Ant fkked him up when he swatted his eye. But SloMo historically hasn't been a zero from outside. SloMo shot 41% from 3 on low volume the prior year and in 2021 he made 1.4 3s at 36%, which is certainly not zero. Kyle said he was starting to get back his depth perception and/or learning to deal with it. Kyle's a decent player in all other ways, so kind of dumb of TC to not bring him back even if its only to be able to have a salary for future trades.

TC has pretty much traded away every first and some seconds, so Wolves sure could have used Kyle not only for his production if his eye sight comes back, but for the salary in trade. I thought it was also dumb not to pay Monte enough to keep him and also Finchy for not playing the dude when our bench was ASS anyways. A healthy Monte has produced well in Denver when he got the minutes and if Finchy unleashed him, he could help more than either of our rookies next year as most rookies notoriously struggle even if they eventually become good players (btw, even Wemby hurt the Spurs as much as helped them with his turnovers, and his erratic outside shooting). While I hope Dilly can be a plus guy in his first season, I don't think we should expect it. He could certainly give up more points with bad defense, turnovers and less efficient offense than his teammates as he adapts). Wolves need an experienced backup point guard to soak up the minutes until Dilly can be a positive overall contributor. Options at point guard are dwindling and I don't like any of the available options better than Monte.

By signing and committing to SloMo, what you are suggesting is to basically bring back the entirety of our 8-man playoff rotation at a very significant cost to ownership. And you wouldn't sign SloMo to a deal like the one he got in Golden State without some expectation of continuing to be in that Top 8. And how does that improve our offense, which was a major stumbling block for us in the playoffs, especially the bench?

Bringing back SloMo (and Monte for that matter) would probably assure us of a pretty damn high floor, but I'm not sure it raises the ceiling beyond the Final Four. TC is instead risking our floor in order to raise our ceiling. It is a gamble, but the options were very limited.

I also think this team became too dependent on SloMo at times over the past two seasons. For a guy Finch relied on so much, he is one hell of a flawed player when it comes to the crucible of the playoffs. He'd probably not even crack the playoff rotation of Boston or Dallas.

It's time for Ant, NAW, Naz, and Jaden to grow the hell up. We shouldn't have to rely on a flawed perennial bench forward to calm things down and make good decisions. That needs to start coming from our young vets along with Conley.

[AbeVigodaLive]

What you're going to miss is the way he would get his hand on a pass at a crucial time, and his overall experience and smarts. He knew what everyone's job on the floor was. I can understand not being able to pay him, but he will be missed.

Yep.

The lack of three pointers is easy to see. But defense is harder to quantify. Moving the ball is harder to quantify. Being in the right spot on both offense and defense is harder to quantify. Versatility is harder to quantify. The willingness to let others cook is harder to quantify. And all of them are incredibly important for a team with big plans on winning.

We'll notice when the young guys do things that SloMo could not do. We'll see the promise of hope in their games. But those young guys will make more mistakes. They will be significantly worse on defense in both subtle and obvious ways. They may or may not help the team win more games than SloMo would have. But how they help or hurt the team will be entirely different than Anderson.

As for Kyle Anderson in San Francisco... I imagine he's there to fill in for Draymond Green when he's on the bench, resting, or suspended. They'll put Anderson in the short roll and let him cook. Defensively, his versatility will be plugged in where needed.

I like the pickup for the Warriors. They won't lose a ton when Green is off the court.

[Carlos Danger]

Just catching up on the news. Lots of good comments in this thread. My thoughts:

1.) While I think generally they want to bring the whole band back, we know financially there will need to be some tweaking. SloMo is one of those tweaks.

2.) If we had to lose someone off the roster...IMO, SloMo was an easy pick. He's still a good bench player. But he's older, expensive and his game is on the decline. Re-signing him might have created a negative asset. As it was, we got very little for him and that's sort of telling in itself.

3.) All good organizations need some roster churn. You need to flush some of the older "steady Eddies" (SloMo) along with under performers (Wendell Moore) to create opportunities for younger guys who could have higher ceilings (insert the last two draft classes)

I'm totally fine with the move. We need some younger guys to start contributing. If they fail, then TC will have to work his magic with plan B (Free Agents, trades, buyout market etc.).

[Lipoli390]

Just catching up on the news. Lots of good comments in this thread. My thoughts:

1.) While I think generally they want to bring the whole band back, we know financially there will need to be some tweaking. SloMo is one of those tweaks.

2.) If we had to lose someone off the roster...IMO, SloMo was an easy pick. He's still a good bench player. But he's older, expensive and his game is on the decline. Re-signing him might have created a negative asset. As it was, we got very little for him and that's sort of telling in itself.

3.) All good organizations need some roster churn. You need to flush some of the older "steady Eddies" (SloMo) along with under performers (Wendell Moore) to create opportunities for younger guys who could have higher ceilings (insert the last two draft classes)

I'm totally fine with the move. We need some younger guys to start contributing. If they fail, then TC will have to work his magic with plan B (Free Agents, trades, buyout market etc.).

Nice assessment, Carlos! I think you hit the nail on the head.

[SameOldNudityDrew]

I think we'll really miss his defense, but yeah, he was such a huge anchor on the team offensively when his outside shot just completely abandoned him this year.