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It was clear that Minott lost the trust of the coaching staff. We discussed the incidents that led to this...

... being pulled 5 seconds after entering a game is NOT the best for job security. He'd probably pretty damn happy for the opportunity to move on to an organization where he can start anew without the baggage.
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WildWolf2813 wrote: Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:47 am
Wolvesfan21 wrote: Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:55 am
Q-is-here wrote: Sun Jun 29, 2025 9:02 pm

Tyus got burned by the free agency market last summer and then to make things worse he didn't exactly have a great year with Phoenix. He seems like a realistic target to bring back at this point. And while he may be a bit middling in a lot of areas, one thing he is elite at is his assist:TO ratio, which is a metric probably given a lot more weight in bygone eras of point guards but actually is super relevant to this particular Wolves squad.
I'd welcome him back also. NBA and math are a thing (no stupid turnovers!). He's a smart player and doesn't make dumb mistakes though he doesn't make incredible beat your man a lot either. I'm guessing Phoenix internally were a bit of a disaster to play for as well. He could really help us for Dilly/Conley insurance and maybe starts over both!?!?! Which both of which are question marks as we know (age and age, lol) and we know what we get from Tyus too. I would hope he would come back and help us win.

If he's consistently playing over Dillingham then there's no hope for Dillingham's future here.
Well, that's a pretty fatalistic take.

Dillingham was drafted into a unique situation. Most late lottery PGs are going to a losing or mediocre team and the front office demands the coach play them. In addition, he was probably one of the lightest players drafted in years. Sorry, but 167 lbs. is not going to cut it when playing regular rotation minutes for a team trying to make another deep playoff run.

If he becomes our primary backup PG this season that is a legit promotion for a still young, physically developing player. Why should we interpret that as there being no hope for his future here???
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Does anyone really believe that Tyus or Tre Jones will sign with the Wolves for the taxpayer MLE or less while Conley and Dilly are both here? I just don’t see it. So unless the Wolves decide to move Mike or Dilly this summer, we’re not going to get a Jones brother or Dennis Schroeder. I doubt we can get a Russell Westbrook or Cameron Payne either. That’s the reality. So the debate over Tyus Jones strikes me as a purely academic one at this point.
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As much as I like Mike Conley, if up to me I’d be inclined to move Mike Conley and sign one of the Jones brothers. Maybe do a sign-and-trade. I don’t think TC will do that but I think it would be the right basketball move both short term and long term.
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Lipoli390 wrote: Mon Jun 30, 2025 2:10 pm Does anyone really believe that Tyus or Tre Jones will sign with the Wolves for the taxpayer MLE or less while Conley and Dilly are both here? I just don’t see it. So unless the Wolves decide to move Mike or Dilly this summer, we’re not going to get a Jones brother or Dennis Schroeder. I doubt we can get a Russell Westbrook or Cameron Payne either. That’s the reality. So the debate over Tyus Jones strikes me as a purely academic one at this point.
Well, so far all of our debates, hopes, and dreams this offseason have been purely academic, so why not more!? :lol:

If we don't go out and get a Tyus or Tre or other PG of solid repute, then that is one hell of a vote of confidence for Dillingham and also Conley's ability to still contribute. I know DDV can play some PG as well, but he really isn't ideally suited for it and it takes away from his ability to work off the ball as a movement shooter.
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Q-is-here wrote: Mon Jun 30, 2025 2:16 pm
Lipoli390 wrote: Mon Jun 30, 2025 2:10 pm Does anyone really believe that Tyus or Tre Jones will sign with the Wolves for the taxpayer MLE or less while Conley and Dilly are both here? I just don’t see it. So unless the Wolves decide to move Mike or Dilly this summer, we’re not going to get a Jones brother or Dennis Schroeder. I doubt we can get a Russell Westbrook or Cameron Payne either. That’s the reality. So the debate over Tyus Jones strikes me as a purely academic one at this point.
Well, so far all of our debates, hopes, and dreams this offseason have been purely academic, so why not more!? :lol:

If we don't go out and get a Tyus or Tre or other PG of solid repute, then that is one hell of a vote of confidence for Dillingham and also Conley's ability to still contribute. I know DDV can play some PG as well, but he really isn't ideally suited for it and it takes away from his ability to work off the ball as a movement shooter.
I don’t disagree, Q. But I’m just trying to zone in on options that are remotely realistic. Would a Dinwiddie fit the bill from your perspective? That seems potentially doable. But I think you’d agree there’s a snowball’s chance of either Jones brother signing here for $5.7M or less to be one of three PGs sandwiched between the established vet, Conley, and last year’s #8 pick. Are there any free agents PGs other than Tre Jones, Tyus Jones and Dennis Schroeder who can be considered PGs of solid repute and who might be amendable to signing here for $5.7M or less sandwiched between Conley and Dilly? The list you come up with would be a list worth debating.

A question I have for the more CBA-savvy participants on this board is whether the Suns could sign-and-trade Tyus Jones for Mike Conley. I noticed that the Suns have no PGs on their roster and I haven’t seen anything to suggest they’re inclined to bring back Tyus. So how about trading Conley for Tyus? I think Tyus might jump at that because he’d see himself as the presumptive starting PG for a championship contender in his home town.
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Q-is-here wrote: Mon Jun 30, 2025 2:16 pm
Lipoli390 wrote: Mon Jun 30, 2025 2:10 pm Does anyone really believe that Tyus or Tre Jones will sign with the Wolves for the taxpayer MLE or less while Conley and Dilly are both here? I just don’t see it. So unless the Wolves decide to move Mike or Dilly this summer, we’re not going to get a Jones brother or Dennis Schroeder. I doubt we can get a Russell Westbrook or Cameron Payne either. That’s the reality. So the debate over Tyus Jones strikes me as a purely academic one at this point.
Well, so far all of our debates, hopes, and dreams this offseason have been purely academic, so why not more!? :lol:

If we don't go out and get a Tyus or Tre or other PG of solid repute, then that is one hell of a vote of confidence for Dillingham and also Conley's ability to still contribute. I know DDV can play some PG as well, but he really isn't ideally suited for it and it takes away from his ability to work off the ball as a movement shooter.
I think the issues is why would a PG want to come here. Conley is not going to lose all his minutes, all hopes are Dilly is the PG of the future. Any person who signs here opportunity is going to be massively limited, without an injury. It either needs to be a starting caliber PG or a PG that does not expect to play. Why would these quality backup PGs want to come here, when opportunity will be low:
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They can sign Tyus for the vet minimum, just like Phoenix did. The Wolves have a great chance to make the playoffs and more. Doesn't that sound like a great place to sign if a player is looking for playoff action?
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DNatagal wrote: Mon Jun 30, 2025 2:26 pm They can sign Tyus for the vet minimum, just like Phoenix did. The Wolves have a great chance to make the playoffs and more. Doesn't that sound like a great place to sign if a player is looking for playoff action?
But where is his minutes coming from. Conley is not going to be a 0 minute guy and dilly should get minutes this season. The opportunity is relatively low for borderline starting PG here
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kekgeek wrote: Mon Jun 30, 2025 2:26 pm
Q-is-here wrote: Mon Jun 30, 2025 2:16 pm
Lipoli390 wrote: Mon Jun 30, 2025 2:10 pm Does anyone really believe that Tyus or Tre Jones will sign with the Wolves for the taxpayer MLE or less while Conley and Dilly are both here? I just don’t see it. So unless the Wolves decide to move Mike or Dilly this summer, we’re not going to get a Jones brother or Dennis Schroeder. I doubt we can get a Russell Westbrook or Cameron Payne either. That’s the reality. So the debate over Tyus Jones strikes me as a purely academic one at this point.
Well, so far all of our debates, hopes, and dreams this offseason have been purely academic, so why not more!? :lol:

If we don't go out and get a Tyus or Tre or other PG of solid repute, then that is one hell of a vote of confidence for Dillingham and also Conley's ability to still contribute. I know DDV can play some PG as well, but he really isn't ideally suited for it and it takes away from his ability to work off the ball as a movement shooter.
I think the issues is why would a PG want to come here. Conley is not going to lose all his minutes, all hopes are Dilly is the PG of the future. Any person who signs here opportunity is going to be massively limited, without an injury. It either needs to be a starting caliber PG or a PG that does not expect to play. Why would these quality backup PGs want to come here, when opportunity will be low:
I guess my thought is - and yes, it's probably delusional - that Connelly would sit down with Mike and tell him we really need him to be our Joe Ingles this year (and it doesn't help my case that Joe Ingles is back next year, dratted!) and be an insurance policy for injuries and otherwise a mentor and player assistant coach.

Then in turn when Connelly talks to the agent of, say, Tyus Jones he is very clear what Mike's role is going to be and that we need someone to start the season as our presumptive starting PG. Voila!

I mean, Conley literally has only one direction to go and that's down. He was hanging on by a thread at times last season but did rally to provide value ultimately. It can only get worse.
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