Garza and Minott options declined

[Lipoli390]

Well, so far all of our debates, hopes, and dreams this offseason have been purely academic, so why not more!?

If we don't go out and get a Tyus or Tre or other PG of solid repute, then that is one hell of a vote of confidence for Dillingham and also Conley's ability to still contribute. I know DDV can play some PG as well, but he really isn't ideally suited for it and it takes away from his ability to work off the ball as a movement shooter.

I think the issues is why would a PG want to come here. Conley is not going to lose all his minutes, all hopes are Dilly is the PG of the future. Any person who signs here opportunity is going to be massively limited, without an injury. It either needs to be a starting caliber PG or a PG that does not expect to play. Why would these quality backup PGs want to come here, when opportunity will be low:

I guess my thought is - and yes, it's probably delusional - that Connelly would sit down with Mike and tell him we really need him to be our Joe Ingles this year (and it doesn't help my case that Joe Ingles is back next year, dratted!) and be an insurance policy for injuries and otherwise a mentor and player assistant coach.

Then in turn when Connelly talks to the agent of, say, Tyus Jones he is very clear what Mike's role is going to be and that we need someone to start the season as our presumptive starting PG. Voila!

I mean, Conley literally has only one direction to go and that's down. He was hanging on by a thread at times last season but did rally to provide value ultimately. It can only get worse.

If TC can pull that off then great. But I think it’s highly unlikely TC would ask that of Mike. Even if he asked, I doubt Mike’s answer would be yes. And even if TC asked, and Mike said yes, Tyus and his agent would have to believe it. My sense is that, if TC is willing to ask Mike to become next season’s Joe Ingles, he might as well trade him. So I think it comes back to that. If we want Tyus, we’ll have to trade Conley. Otherwise, there’s no way Tyus or someone at his level will come here.

[WildWolf2813]

I'd welcome him back also. NBA and math are a thing (no stupid turnovers!). He's a smart player and doesn't make dumb mistakes though he doesn't make incredible beat your man a lot either. I'm guessing Phoenix internally were a bit of a disaster to play for as well. He could really help us for Dilly/Conley insurance and maybe starts over both!?!?! Which both of which are question marks as we know (age and age, lol) and we know what we get from Tyus too. I would hope he would come back and help us win.

If he's consistently playing over Dillingham then there's no hope for Dillingham's future here.

Well, that's a pretty fatalistic take.

Dillingham was drafted into a unique situation. Most late lottery PGs are going to a losing or mediocre team and the front office demands the coach play them. In addition, he was probably one of the lightest players drafted in years. Sorry, but 167 lbs. is not going to cut it when playing regular rotation minutes for a team trying to make another deep playoff run.

If he becomes our primary backup PG this season that is a legit promotion for a still young, physically developing player. Why should we interpret that as there being no hope for his future here???

I don't think there's a scenario barring injury where Dillingham backup Jones only because Finch is gonna play Mike Conley some. Without that obstacle, bring Jones on. Because there's a great need at the position he plays, if he can't get on the court, we're not learning anything and then there's nothing separating Rob from all those raw high upside swings teams take in round 2 except for the fact that Connelly went out of his way to get him. Rob was light when TC drafted him. He's gonna be light compared to the competition he faces for the rest of his career. That's not necessarily gonna change and even if he was 195 summer (he isn't) he still has to prove he can play. If it takes him his entire rookie deal to see if he's maybe figuring it out, that's a bad pick.

The only way Rob is backing up anyone is if the Wolves don't sign anyone this summer, because Jones isn't coming here to be a third stringer and Finch isn't gonna do it to Conley.

[kekgeek]

I think the issues is why would a PG want to come here. Conley is not going to lose all his minutes, all hopes are Dilly is the PG of the future. Any person who signs here opportunity is going to be massively limited, without an injury. It either needs to be a starting caliber PG or a PG that does not expect to play. Why would these quality backup PGs want to come here, when opportunity will be low:

I guess my thought is - and yes, it's probably delusional - that Connelly would sit down with Mike and tell him we really need him to be our Joe Ingles this year (and it doesn't help my case that Joe Ingles is back next year, dratted!) and be an insurance policy for injuries and otherwise a mentor and player assistant coach.

Then in turn when Connelly talks to the agent of, say, Tyus Jones he is very clear what Mike's role is going to be and that we need someone to start the season as our presumptive starting PG. Voila!

I mean, Conley literally has only one direction to go and that's down. He was hanging on by a thread at times last season but did rally to provide value ultimately. It can only get worse.

If TC can pull that off then great. But I think it’s highly unlikely TC would ask that of Mike. Even if he asked, I doubt Mike’s answer would be yes. And even if TC asked, and Mike said yes, Tyus and his agent would have to believe it. My sense is that, if TC is willing to ask Mike to become next season’s Joe Ingles, he might as well trade him. So I think it comes back to that. If we want Tyus, we’ll have to trade Conley. Otherwise, there’s not way Tyus or someone at his level will come here.

I might be delusional but I still have hope for Mike. Remember that he came into this season hurt and was unable to shoot a basketball during the offseason. He also had one of these down years in Utah and he bounced back that next year. He might be washed but I wouldn’t count Mike out yet. (That does not mean we shouldn’t look to improve)

[FNG]

I guess my thought is - and yes, it's probably delusional - that Connelly would sit down with Mike and tell him we really need him to be our Joe Ingles this year (and it doesn't help my case that Joe Ingles is back next year, dratted!) and be an insurance policy for injuries and otherwise a mentor and player assistant coach.

Then in turn when Connelly talks to the agent of, say, Tyus Jones he is very clear what Mike's role is going to be and that we need someone to start the season as our presumptive starting PG. Voila!

I mean, Conley literally has only one direction to go and that's down. He was hanging on by a thread at times last season but did rally to provide value ultimately. It can only get worse.

If TC can pull that off then great. But I think it’s highly unlikely TC would ask that of Mike. Even if he asked, I doubt Mike’s answer would be yes. And even if TC asked, and Mike said yes, Tyus and his agent would have to believe it. My sense is that, if TC is willing to ask Mike to become next season’s Joe Ingles, he might as well trade him. So I think it comes back to that. If we want Tyus, we’ll have to trade Conley. Otherwise, there’s not way Tyus or someone at his level will come here.

I might be delusional but I still have hope for Mike. Remember that he came into this season hurt and was unable to shoot a basketball during the offseason. He also had one of these down years in Utah and he bounced back that next year. He might be washed but I wouldn’t count Mike out yet. (That does not mean we shouldn’t look to improve)

Not delusional at all. Mike had a slow start last season, but came on strong, and finished with a 3-point average of 41%...better than his career average. He also averaged 4.5 APG while only averaging 1.1 turnovers...lowest of his career. He also looked lively and smart on defense, and is clearly a defensive coach in the floor...it's not surprising to me that we gave up 3.3 fewer points per 100 possessions when he was on the court. (And anticipating the "that's because he played with Rudy all the time" argument: Ant played 500 more minutes with Rudy than Mike did, and we gave up 4.1 more points per 100 when he was out there). Unless someone can produce a photo of Mike walking with a walker this offseason, I'm going to quote Mark Twain and say rumors of his demise are greatly exaggerated.

I love what Conley brings to this team at both ends of the court, and it's pretty clear Finchy does too. He's going to play significant minutes this season. And while I'm bullish on Rob, we don't know how effective he is going to be in his first full season. But I'm certain of this: if he can take big minutes away from Mike or even earn a starting position, we're going to be very good next season.

[Monster]

If TC can pull that off then great. But I think it’s highly unlikely TC would ask that of Mike. Even if he asked, I doubt Mike’s answer would be yes. And even if TC asked, and Mike said yes, Tyus and his agent would have to believe it. My sense is that, if TC is willing to ask Mike to become next season’s Joe Ingles, he might as well trade him. So I think it comes back to that. If we want Tyus, we’ll have to trade Conley. Otherwise, there’s not way Tyus or someone at his level will come here.

I might be delusional but I still have hope for Mike. Remember that he came into this season hurt and was unable to shoot a basketball during the offseason. He also had one of these down years in Utah and he bounced back that next year. He might be washed but I wouldn’t count Mike out yet. (That does not mean we shouldn’t look to improve)

Not delusional at all. Mike had a slow start last season, but came on strong, and finished with a 3-point average of 41%...better than his career average. He also averaged 4.5 APG while only averaging 1.1 turnovers...lowest of his career. He also looked lively and smart on defense, and is clearly a defensive coach in the floor...it's not surprising to me that we gave up 3.3 fewer points per 100 possessions when he was on the court. (And anticipating the "that's because he played with Rudy all the time" argument: Ant played 500 more minutes with Rudy than Mike did, and we gave up 4.1 more points per 100 when he was out there). Unless someone can produce a photo of Mike walking with a walker this offseason, I'm going to quote Mark Twain and say rumors of his demise are greatly exaggerated.

I love what Conley brings to this team at both ends of the court, and it's pretty clear Finchy does too. He's going to play significant minutes this season. And while I'm bullish on Rob, we don't know how effective he is going to be in his first full season. But I'm certain of this: if he can take big minutes away from Mike or even earn a starting position, we're going to be very good next season.

Conley last year went from a valuable starting vet PG to more of a savvy reasonably valuable old rotation PG. Guys like Conley can give you something even other solid NBA vets can't give just because they are so smart and know how to play on both ends. I'd bet on Conley still be ING able to be worth playing plenty solid 15 mins a night which doesn't match his salalry but also helps the team. The Wolves just need to find another guard that can help either as a traditional PG or a combo guard or something more like NAW was for this team. I also think there is a chance Clark MIGHT be able to help in a PG type role like what NAW did but that's a lot to ask of a 2nd year guy. The Wolves have kinda prioritized adding some talent in this regard in the past so I'll be surprised if they don't add someone kinda decent in FA.

[Lipoli390]

If TC can pull that off then great. But I think it’s highly unlikely TC would ask that of Mike. Even if he asked, I doubt Mike’s answer would be yes. And even if TC asked, and Mike said yes, Tyus and his agent would have to believe it. My sense is that, if TC is willing to ask Mike to become next season’s Joe Ingles, he might as well trade him. So I think it comes back to that. If we want Tyus, we’ll have to trade Conley. Otherwise, there’s not way Tyus or someone at his level will come here.

I might be delusional but I still have hope for Mike. Remember that he came into this season hurt and was unable to shoot a basketball during the offseason. He also had one of these down years in Utah and he bounced back that next year. He might be washed but I wouldn’t count Mike out yet. (That does not mean we shouldn’t look to improve)

Not delusional at all. Mike had a slow start last season, but came on strong, and finished with a 3-point average of 41%...better than his career average. He also averaged 4.5 APG while only averaging 1.1 turnovers...lowest of his career. He also looked lively and smart on defense, and is clearly a defensive coach in the floor...it's not surprising to me that we gave up 3.3 fewer points per 100 possessions when he was on the court. (And anticipating the "that's because he played with Rudy all the time" argument: Ant played 500 more minutes with Rudy than Mike did, and we gave up 4.1 more points per 100 when he was out there). Unless someone can produce a photo of Mike walking with a walker this offseason, I'm going to quote Mark Twain and say rumors of his demise are greatly exaggerated.

I love what Conley brings to this team at both ends of the court, and it's pretty clear Finchy does too. He's going to play significant minutes this season. And while I'm bullish on Rob, we don't know how effective he is going to be in his first full season. But I'm certain of this: if he can take big minutes away from Mike or even earn a starting position, we're going to be very good next season.

All good points. Mike was pretty good defensively last season and there’s no telling for sure how much he has left in the tank. Our front office folks and Finch know more we do about what Conley has left. They also know a lot more about where Dilly’s at in his development. As I’ve mentioned before, I don’t think it’s critical to add a PG and that it’s more important to add a defensive big with our limited free agent dollars. My Paul Reed dream just died with is two-year $11 million deal with Detroit. The good news is that Reed’s deal was within the parameters of the TMLE. I still think Looney and Kornet will get offers in excess of the TMLE - probably from their current teams. But I take heart from Reed’s deal that guys like Mo Bamba, Kai Jones and Moussa Diabate might be gettable for some portion of the TMLE.

[Monster]

I might be delusional but I still have hope for Mike. Remember that he came into this season hurt and was unable to shoot a basketball during the offseason. He also had one of these down years in Utah and he bounced back that next year. He might be washed but I wouldn’t count Mike out yet. (That does not mean we shouldn’t look to improve)

Not delusional at all. Mike had a slow start last season, but came on strong, and finished with a 3-point average of 41%...better than his career average. He also averaged 4.5 APG while only averaging 1.1 turnovers...lowest of his career. He also looked lively and smart on defense, and is clearly a defensive coach in the floor...it's not surprising to me that we gave up 3.3 fewer points per 100 possessions when he was on the court. (And anticipating the "that's because he played with Rudy all the time" argument: Ant played 500 more minutes with Rudy than Mike did, and we gave up 4.1 more points per 100 when he was out there). Unless someone can produce a photo of Mike walking with a walker this offseason, I'm going to quote Mark Twain and say rumors of his demise are greatly exaggerated.

I love what Conley brings to this team at both ends of the court, and it's pretty clear Finchy does too. He's going to play significant minutes this season. And while I'm bullish on Rob, we don't know how effective he is going to be in his first full season. But I'm certain of this: if he can take big minutes away from Mike or even earn a starting position, we're going to be very good next season.

All good points. Mike was pretty good defensively last season and there’s no telling for sure how much he has left in the tank. Our front office folks and Finch know more we do about what Conley has left. They also know a lot more about where Dilly’s at in his development. As I’ve mentioned before, I don’t think it’s critical to add a PG and that it’s more important to add a defensive big with our limited free agent dollars. My Paul Reed dream just died with is two-year $11 million deal with Detroit. The good news is that Reed’s deal was within the parameters of the TMLE. I still think Looney and Kornet will get offers in excess of the TMLE - probably from their current teams. But I take heart from Reed’s deal that guys like Mo Bamba, Kai Jones and Moussa Diabate might be gettable for some portion of the TMLE.

Mo Bamba might be in partial guaranteed vet minimum zip code these days.

[Lipoli390]

Not delusional at all. Mike had a slow start last season, but came on strong, and finished with a 3-point average of 41%...better than his career average. He also averaged 4.5 APG while only averaging 1.1 turnovers...lowest of his career. He also looked lively and smart on defense, and is clearly a defensive coach in the floor...it's not surprising to me that we gave up 3.3 fewer points per 100 possessions when he was on the court. (And anticipating the "that's because he played with Rudy all the time" argument: Ant played 500 more minutes with Rudy than Mike did, and we gave up 4.1 more points per 100 when he was out there). Unless someone can produce a photo of Mike walking with a walker this offseason, I'm going to quote Mark Twain and say rumors of his demise are greatly exaggerated.

I love what Conley brings to this team at both ends of the court, and it's pretty clear Finchy does too. He's going to play significant minutes this season. And while I'm bullish on Rob, we don't know how effective he is going to be in his first full season. But I'm certain of this: if he can take big minutes away from Mike or even earn a starting position, we're going to be very good next season.

All good points. Mike was pretty good defensively last season and there’s no telling for sure how much he has left in the tank. Our front office folks and Finch know more we do about what Conley has left. They also know a lot more about where Dilly’s at in his development. As I’ve mentioned before, I don’t think it’s critical to add a PG and that it’s more important to add a defensive big with our limited free agent dollars. My Paul Reed dream just died with is two-year $11 million deal with Detroit. The good news is that Reed’s deal was within the parameters of the TMLE. I still think Looney and Kornet will get offers in excess of the TMLE - probably from their current teams. But I take heart from Reed’s deal that guys like Mo Bamba, Kai Jones and Moussa Diabate might be gettable for some portion of the TMLE.

Mo Bamba might be in partial guaranteed vet minimum zip code these days.

Yeah, Monster. I’m not sure quite where to peg his value right now. You might be right. If so, I’d be interested in signing him.

[Crazysauce]

Evan Porter just announced Garza to the Celtics. Will miss Garza

[Monster]

Evan Porter just announced Garza to the Celtics. Will miss Garza

I wonder if part of why the Wolves let him go was they thought he might have an opportunity elsewhere. With Naz and Randle back Garza made less sense than back a year or whatever agonwhen we though Naz might leave and Garza could be a scoring big to help fill in that gap. Meanwhile the Celtics lost Kornet and added Garza. Different players but that's not all bad either. Celtics might need some scoring.