Joe ingles back!

[guest81]

Guest81, What are you defining as the "13th to 15th roster guys"? Are you talking about where they stand in the actual depth chart? Their contract amount? Or in what order they were acquired and signed to the team?

As it relates to the first definition - the depth chart - you do realize that it's possible the Wolves could sign someone with the TPMLE that could leapfrog the 13th-15th guys on the depth chart and actually be someone that might be in the regular rotation or at least be "next man up" the second someone in the main rotation gets hurt? That's not a trivial thing.

Yes the depth chart. You could sign that but then you are taking away minutes from all the young guys they already have that need playing time

But there are some extenuating circumstances at Center and may be even point guard. Do we think Beringer is ready for NBA minutes next season? He doesn't even turn 19 until November. It's not the end of the world if we get a one-year stopgap vet big that can backup Rudy against some of the bigger opponents (like holy crap Houston!).

I can make an argument that Conley should be demoted to a Joe Ingles role (I know others would pushback on that) and we could use a vet starting PG like Tyus Jones while still playing Dilly regular minutes as the backup PG this year.

Those are two examples where I don't see us compromising player development.

Again if the situation arrives where your 13th to 15th man on the depth chart has to play real minutes then your season is probably already lost

[WildWolf2813]

I hate it when people say this. What a cop out. No, you actually use these 3 spots to bring in at least a couple young guys to see if they can be developed.

You’re saying that instead of signing Naz Reid (I know he was probably a 2 way at first, but should be the same thing) as an undrafted rookie, we should have signed some old guy who never plays? We already have mike for that and we should be at the point now where we don’t need either.

TC is a lazy disappointment

On the flip side you have what Jingles brings though, he's not going to be pushing to play either so his attitude for not playing versus a guy you don't know who could be cancerous. Risk of player unknown is a thing too.

I'm a little surprised a bit as well, don't love it but I'm fine with it, understand it and like his value off the court and in the locker room.

I suppose ideally you try and develop a younger guy, but how many Naz Reids are there out there without the opportunity to play? We're already deep enough right now that playing time is at a minimum. And Joe can still play if need be!

There is a known value Jingles brings, chemistry, coaching, leadership, and play OK if needed, etc... It's fine.

I mean ingles is great as a vet, I guess I just don’t like the optics. It’s like you’re giving up. Theres a lot people making a lot of money to find the next Naz or the next Ty Jerome, but instead we don’t try lol. It’s just weird to me.

Running it back isn’t the issue and even having a locker room guy at the end of the bench for the minimum doesn’t hurt.

It’s that it’s hitting people that the core is good but not good enough.

[Q-is-here]

Yes the depth chart. You could sign that but then you are taking away minutes from all the young guys they already have that need playing time

But there are some extenuating circumstances at Center and may be even point guard. Do we think Beringer is ready for NBA minutes next season? He doesn't even turn 19 until November. It's not the end of the world if we get a one-year stopgap vet big that can backup Rudy against some of the bigger opponents (like holy crap Houston!).

I can make an argument that Conley should be demoted to a Joe Ingles role (I know others would pushback on that) and we could use a vet starting PG like Tyus Jones while still playing Dilly regular minutes as the backup PG this year.

Those are two examples where I don't see us compromising player development.

Again if the situation arrives where your 13th to 15th man on the depth chart has to play real minutes then your season is probably already lost

I'm talking about signing a guy that is NOT the 13th to 15th man, but is higher on the depth chart.

[Monster]

I think I'll be more OK with Ingles back if that doesn't keep the Wolves from filling a 15th roster spot. Like if they don't sign someone or even bring in an undrafted guy with sole sort of moderate chance of making the roster that will be more dissapointing.

I'll say this Connelly and the coaching staff saw Ingles up close for months and they may know he can likely still play in addition to all the intagables which again they might see every day and are able to know how valuable it might be. Or they could be wrong. Lol

[guest81]

But there are some extenuating circumstances at Center and may be even point guard. Do we think Beringer is ready for NBA minutes next season? He doesn't even turn 19 until November. It's not the end of the world if we get a one-year stopgap vet big that can backup Rudy against some of the bigger opponents (like holy crap Houston!).

I can make an argument that Conley should be demoted to a Joe Ingles role (I know others would pushback on that) and we could use a vet starting PG like Tyus Jones while still playing Dilly regular minutes as the backup PG this year.

Those are two examples where I don't see us compromising player development.

Again if the situation arrives where your 13th to 15th man on the depth chart has to play real minutes then your season is probably already lost

I'm talking about signing a guy that is NOT the 13th to 15th man, but is higher on the depth chart.

Who do you want to take minutes away from in the rotation now?

[Q-is-here]

Again if the situation arrives where your 13th to 15th man on the depth chart has to play real minutes then your season is probably already lost

I'm talking about signing a guy that is NOT the 13th to 15th man, but is higher on the depth chart.

Who do you want to take minutes away from in the rotation now?

If it were a vet PG, it would take minutes away from Conley.

If it were a backup defensive Center, it would allow us to rest Rudy a bit more and also situationally reduce the minutes of Reid/Randle when playing against bigger teams.

[60WinTim]

When I was doing my cap analysis I neglected to include Jaden's 1 mil unlikely bonus. We never had the ability to use the TMLE on a player. The only thing that makes any sense is to fill out the last 3 roster spots with vet minimum contracts. And that 15th spot could be put off until well into the season, although it probably makes sense to do it now.

So, Joe Ingles is the 1st of those 3 spots. A PG (or ball handler) will surely be the 2nd of those spots, which seems very likely to be Bones Hyland. The only mystery is whether we add a big for that final roster spot. And it will be a vet minimum contract.

[Monster]

When I was doing my cap analysis I neglected to include Jaden's 1 mil unlikely bonus. We never had the ability to use the TMLE on a player. The only thing that makes any sense is to fill out the last 3 roster spots with vet minimum contracts. And that 15th spot could be put off until well into the season, although it probably makes sense to do it now.

So, Joe Ingles is the 1st of those 3 spots. A PG (or ball handler) will surely be the 2nd of those spots, which seems very likely to be Bones Hyland. The only mystery is whether we add a big for that final roster spot. And it will be a vet minimum contract.

Just for fun I'll ask can the Wolves utilize the bi-annual exception?

[60WinTim]

When I was doing my cap analysis I neglected to include Jaden's 1 mil unlikely bonus. We never had the ability to use the TMLE on a player. The only thing that makes any sense is to fill out the last 3 roster spots with vet minimum contracts. And that 15th spot could be put off until well into the season, although it probably makes sense to do it now.

So, Joe Ingles is the 1st of those 3 spots. A PG (or ball handler) will surely be the 2nd of those spots, which seems very likely to be Bones Hyland. The only mystery is whether we add a big for that final roster spot. And it will be a vet minimum contract.

Just for fun I'll ask can the Wolves utilize the bi-annual exception?

That's the thing!! The answer is "NO" if they want to fill all 15 roster spots!

If the Wolves used an of their exceptions to sign a player, that amount would count as salary against the aprons. But if they simply sign a player to a vet minimum contract (which is an exception), then the only salary counted against the aprons is that of a 2-year veteran, $2,296,271. So even though Joe gets more than 3 mil in salary, only the 2.3 mil amount is counted. The space the Wolves had after releasing Minott and Garza only created enough space to sign 3 vet minimum contracts. That puts them just under the 2nd apron threshold with no wiggle room.

[Monster]

When I was doing my cap analysis I neglected to include Jaden's 1 mil unlikely bonus. We never had the ability to use the TMLE on a player. The only thing that makes any sense is to fill out the last 3 roster spots with vet minimum contracts. And that 15th spot could be put off until well into the season, although it probably makes sense to do it now.

So, Joe Ingles is the 1st of those 3 spots. A PG (or ball handler) will surely be the 2nd of those spots, which seems very likely to be Bones Hyland. The only mystery is whether we add a big for that final roster spot. And it will be a vet minimum contract.

Just for fun I'll ask can the Wolves utilize the bi-annual exception?

That's the thing!! The answer is "NO" if they want to fill all 15 roster spots!

If the Wolves used an of their exceptions to sign a player, that amount would count as salary against the aprons. But if they simply sign a player to a vet minimum contract (which is an exception), then the only salary counted against the aprons is that of a 2-year veteran, $2,296,271. So even though Joe gets more than 3 mil in salary, only the 2.3 mil amount is counted. The space the Wolves had after releasing Minott and Garza only created enough space to sign 3 vet minimum contracts. That puts them just under the 2nd apron threshold with no wiggle room.

So they could use it but shouldn't and won't. That's what I thought but I was curious. Thanks!