Around the league offseason

[kekgeek]

So chet gets the max. I will keep saying this new CBA makes it hard for the Thunder to continue to build a roster long term. If Jdub gets the max and Chet makes an all nba team/DPOY those 3 players will make 171 a year on average in a league where the second apron is currently at 207 million. So 36 million for 12 players. *cap is going up. So all of those luxury role players will be gone.

[Lipoli390]

So chet gets the max. I will keep saying this new CBA makes it hard for the Thunder to continue to build a roster long term. If Jdub gets the max and Chet makes an all nba team/DPOY those 3 players will make 171 a year on average in a league where the second apron is currently at 207 million. So 36 million for 12 players. *cap is going up. So all of those luxury role players will be gone.

Good point, Kek. My understanding was that the current CBA was designed to protect the smaller markets from being marginalized by the larger market teams that have almost bottomless resources. Unfortunately, the CBA actually hurts smaller markets teams like OKC that draft well. The CBA should have provided that a team can exclude from its second apron calculation the post-rookie contracts of players the team drafted or signed as undrafted free agents. Those salaries could still count against the cap and result in luxury tax payments. For the Wolves that would mean excluding Ant, Jaden and Naz. It would have meant excluding KAT. The CBA could have excluded the entire amount or perhaps excluded only the amount above the prevailing non-taxpayer MLE. The exclusion could have been limited to no more than two players.

The point is to reward rather than penalize small and mid-market teams that draft well and do a good job of developing their players. It would foster continuity and fan loyalty. The luxury tax and other factors would still put small and mid-market teams at a disadvantage relative to certain bigger market teams like the Lakers, Clippers, and Heat but it would help.

[Phenom]

So chet gets the max. I will keep saying this new CBA makes it hard for the Thunder to continue to build a roster long term. If Jdub gets the max and Chet makes an all nba team/DPOY those 3 players will make 171 a year on average in a league where the second apron is currently at 207 million. So 36 million for 12 players. *cap is going up. So all of those luxury role players will be gone.

Good point, Kek. My understanding was that the current CBA was designed to protect the smaller markets from being marginalized by the larger market teams that have almost bottomless resources. Unfortunately, the CBA actually hurts smaller markets teams like OKC that draft well. The CBA should have provided that a team can exclude from its second apron calculation the post-rookie contracts of players the team drafted or signed as undrafted free agents. Those salaries could still count against the cap and result in luxury tax payments. For the Wolves that would mean excluding Ant, Jaden and Naz. It would have meant excluding KAT. The CBA could have excluded the entire amount or perhaps excluded only the amount above the prevailing non-taxpayer MLE. The exclusion could have been limited to no more than two players.

The point is to reward rather than penalize small and mid-market teams that draft well and do a good job of developing their players. It would foster continuity and fan loyalty. The luxury tax and other factors would still put small and mid-market teams at a disadvantage relative to certain bigger market teams like the Lakers, Clippers, and Heat but it would help.

I was thinking about the Thunders situation recently and thought the one max model the Wolves have going might be best. Then you can spread out some higher salaries for the supporting cast.

I also believe the NBA should make an adjustment to how max contracts affect the cap, if you really want to help the small market teams.

Let OKC give Chet, JWill and Shai their max contracts but only count, what other teams can max them out for, against the salary cap.

Such a provision might have prevented the Bulls from trading Jimmy Butler back when and even made it easier to keep KAT here.

[Monster]

So chet gets the max. I will keep saying this new CBA makes it hard for the Thunder to continue to build a roster long term. If Jdub gets the max and Chet makes an all nba team/DPOY those 3 players will make 171 a year on average in a league where the second apron is currently at 207 million. So 36 million for 12 players. *cap is going up. So all of those luxury role players will be gone.

Good point, Kek. My understanding was that the current CBA was designed to protect the smaller markets from being marginalized by the larger market teams that have almost bottomless resources. Unfortunately, the CBA actually hurts smaller markets teams like OKC that draft well. The CBA should have provided that a team can exclude from its second apron calculation the post-rookie contracts of players the team drafted or signed as undrafted free agents. Those salaries could still count against the cap and result in luxury tax payments. For the Wolves that would mean excluding Ant, Jaden and Naz. It would have meant excluding KAT. The CBA could have excluded the entire amount or perhaps excluded only the amount above the prevailing non-taxpayer MLE. The exclusion could have been limited to no more than two players.

The point is to reward rather than penalize small and mid-market teams that draft well and do a good job of developing their players. It would foster continuity and fan loyalty. The luxury tax and other factors would still put small and mid-market teams at a disadvantage relative to certain bigger market teams like the Lakers, Clippers, and Heat but it would help.

I was thinking about the Thunders situation recently and thought the one max model the Wolves have going might be best. Then you can spread out some higher salaries for the supporting cast.

I also believe the NBA should make an adjustment to how max contracts affect the cap, if you really want to help the small market teams.

Let OKC give Chet, JWill and Shai their max contracts but only count, what other teams can max them out for, against the salary cap.

Such a provision might have prevented the Bulls from trading Jimmy Butler back when and even made it easier to keep KAT here.

It will be interesting to see if a team ends up with a really good team and they decide they don't care how much it costs or how much their flexibility is limited because they have basically everything in place but it will cost them a shit ton of money...but they might be getting some more revenue because they are a contender every year and maybe have already even won a championship.

I'll believe other good players getting less money when it happens. Meanwhile Wolves non star FAs totaled nearly 300 million in salalry this offseason. Those rookie year max extensions if the player is good enough can end up being a pretty good value...and a ton of money.

It will also be interesting to see if some players decide that the absolute max amount of money...they don't need to make that money if it can legitimately help their team build a better roster. A couple million doesn't go as far as it used to but will a guy be like...man I don't need to make 100 million I can settle for 85 or whatever so we can keep my teammate and pay him 17 or 25 32 or 47 million or whatever. That hasnt happened a ton in sports but the numbers are getting pretty high.

Edit: I think one of the great equalizers could be more about the bottom of the roster than the tops of them. I'd the NBA continues to build up the G-league it will give teams more chances to acquire and develop talent and maybe the bottom 10 teams get some sort of ability to pay a 2 way player the vet min or some sort of higher salalry or something to help them acquire players. I think that's better than moving towards something like having a 3rd round of the draft which I woukd think players would prefer to avoid. I think there will be times in the not too distance future that 2-way guys will become part of trades at times.

[Lipoli390]

Good point, Kek. My understanding was that the current CBA was designed to protect the smaller markets from being marginalized by the larger market teams that have almost bottomless resources. Unfortunately, the CBA actually hurts smaller markets teams like OKC that draft well. The CBA should have provided that a team can exclude from its second apron calculation the post-rookie contracts of players the team drafted or signed as undrafted free agents. Those salaries could still count against the cap and result in luxury tax payments. For the Wolves that would mean excluding Ant, Jaden and Naz. It would have meant excluding KAT. The CBA could have excluded the entire amount or perhaps excluded only the amount above the prevailing non-taxpayer MLE. The exclusion could have been limited to no more than two players.

The point is to reward rather than penalize small and mid-market teams that draft well and do a good job of developing their players. It would foster continuity and fan loyalty. The luxury tax and other factors would still put small and mid-market teams at a disadvantage relative to certain bigger market teams like the Lakers, Clippers, and Heat but it would help.

I was thinking about the Thunders situation recently and thought the one max model the Wolves have going might be best. Then you can spread out some higher salaries for the supporting cast.

I also believe the NBA should make an adjustment to how max contracts affect the cap, if you really want to help the small market teams.

Let OKC give Chet, JWill and Shai their max contracts but only count, what other teams can max them out for, against the salary cap.

Such a provision might have prevented the Bulls from trading Jimmy Butler back when and even made it easier to keep KAT here.

It will be interesting to see if a team ends up with a really good team and they decide they don't care how much it costs or how much their flexibility is limited because they have basically everything in place but it will cost them a shit ton of money...but they might be getting some more revenue because they are a contender every year and maybe have already even won a championship.

I'll believe other good players getting less money when it happens. Meanwhile Wolves non star FAs totaled nearly 300 million in salalry this offseason. Those rookie year max extensions if the player is good enough can end up being a pretty good value...and a ton of money.

It will also be interesting to see if some players decide that the absolute max amount of money...they don't need to make that money if it can legitimately help their team build a better roster. A couple million doesn't go as far as it used to but will a guy be like...man I don't need to make 100 million I can settle for 85 or whatever so we can keep my teammate and pay him 17 or 25 32 or 47 million or whatever. That hasnt happened a ton in sports but the numbers are getting pretty high.

Edit: I think one of the great equalizers could be more about the bottom of the roster than the tops of them. I'd the NBA continues to build up the G-league it will give teams more chances to acquire and develop talent and maybe the bottom 10 teams get some sort of ability to pay a 2 way player the vet min or some sort of higher salalry or something to help them acquire players. I think that's better than moving towards something like having a 3rd round of the draft which I woukd think players would prefer to avoid. I think there will be times in the not too distance future that 2-way guys will become part of trades at times.

I don’t think the 2nd apron is a money issue. It’s the transactional penalties and constraints that make it untenable, especially for a team that remains above that threshold for 2 years. Teams and players will adapt to the CBA over time but the unfortunate byproduct is that it hurts smaller market teams as mush as it hurts the big market teams that were spending recklessly.

[rapsuperstar31]

I was thinking about the Thunders situation recently and thought the one max model the Wolves have going might be best. Then you can spread out some higher salaries for the supporting cast.

I also believe the NBA should make an adjustment to how max contracts affect the cap, if you really want to help the small market teams.

Let OKC give Chet, JWill and Shai their max contracts but only count, what other teams can max them out for, against the salary cap.

Such a provision might have prevented the Bulls from trading Jimmy Butler back when and even made it easier to keep KAT here.

It will be interesting to see if a team ends up with a really good team and they decide they don't care how much it costs or how much their flexibility is limited because they have basically everything in place but it will cost them a shit ton of money...but they might be getting some more revenue because they are a contender every year and maybe have already even won a championship.

I'll believe other good players getting less money when it happens. Meanwhile Wolves non star FAs totaled nearly 300 million in salalry this offseason. Those rookie year max extensions if the player is good enough can end up being a pretty good value...and a ton of money.

It will also be interesting to see if some players decide that the absolute max amount of money...they don't need to make that money if it can legitimately help their team build a better roster. A couple million doesn't go as far as it used to but will a guy be like...man I don't need to make 100 million I can settle for 85 or whatever so we can keep my teammate and pay him 17 or 25 32 or 47 million or whatever. That hasnt happened a ton in sports but the numbers are getting pretty high.

Edit: I think one of the great equalizers could be more about the bottom of the roster than the tops of them. I'd the NBA continues to build up the G-league it will give teams more chances to acquire and develop talent and maybe the bottom 10 teams get some sort of ability to pay a 2 way player the vet min or some sort of higher salalry or something to help them acquire players. I think that's better than moving towards something like having a 3rd round of the draft which I woukd think players would prefer to avoid. I think there will be times in the not too distance future that 2-way guys will become part of trades at times.

I don’t think the 2nd apron is a money issue. It’s the transactional penalties and constraints that make it untenable, especially for a team that remains above that threshold for 2 years. Teams and players will adapt to the CBA over time but the unfortunate byproduct is that it hurts smaller market teams as mush as it hurts the big market teams that were spending recklessly.

The first year or two yes, but when you get 4, 5, 6 straight years into even just the luxury tax, your tax multiplier keeps going up. Before Boston started trading players away they were set to pay $540 million this coming season in salary and luxury.

[Monster]

I was thinking about the Thunders situation recently and thought the one max model the Wolves have going might be best. Then you can spread out some higher salaries for the supporting cast.

I also believe the NBA should make an adjustment to how max contracts affect the cap, if you really want to help the small market teams.

Let OKC give Chet, JWill and Shai their max contracts but only count, what other teams can max them out for, against the salary cap.

Such a provision might have prevented the Bulls from trading Jimmy Butler back when and even made it easier to keep KAT here.

It will be interesting to see if a team ends up with a really good team and they decide they don't care how much it costs or how much their flexibility is limited because they have basically everything in place but it will cost them a shit ton of money...but they might be getting some more revenue because they are a contender every year and maybe have already even won a championship.

I'll believe other good players getting less money when it happens. Meanwhile Wolves non star FAs totaled nearly 300 million in salalry this offseason. Those rookie year max extensions if the player is good enough can end up being a pretty good value...and a ton of money.

It will also be interesting to see if some players decide that the absolute max amount of money...they don't need to make that money if it can legitimately help their team build a better roster. A couple million doesn't go as far as it used to but will a guy be like...man I don't need to make 100 million I can settle for 85 or whatever so we can keep my teammate and pay him 17 or 25 32 or 47 million or whatever. That hasnt happened a ton in sports but the numbers are getting pretty high.

Edit: I think one of the great equalizers could be more about the bottom of the roster than the tops of them. I'd the NBA continues to build up the G-league it will give teams more chances to acquire and develop talent and maybe the bottom 10 teams get some sort of ability to pay a 2 way player the vet min or some sort of higher salalry or something to help them acquire players. I think that's better than moving towards something like having a 3rd round of the draft which I woukd think players would prefer to avoid. I think there will be times in the not too distance future that 2-way guys will become part of trades at times.

I don’t think the 2nd apron is a money issue. It’s the transactional penalties and constraints that make it untenable, especially for a team that remains above that threshold for 2 years. Teams and players will adapt to the CBA over time but the unfortunate byproduct is that it hurts smaller market teams as mush as it hurts the big market teams that were spending recklessly.

So then it's having the intended effect then right?

[D-Loser25]

Let’s start saving assets for when OKC has to trade Chet. There’s no way they can pay those 3 guys that kind of money for the long term. I’d be willing to trade Rudy, Randle, DDV and 4 firsts to get him here.

Chet
Naz
Jaden
Ant
Dilly

With Shannon coming off the bench. Now that’s a championship contender

[60WinTim]

Let’s start saving assets for when OKC has to trade Chet. There’s no way they can pay those 3 guys that kind of money for the long term. I’d be willing to trade Rudy, Randle, DDV and 4 firsts to get him here.

Chet
Naz
Jaden
Ant
Dilly

With Shannon coming off the bench. Now that’s a championship contender

I don't know about that. OKC has all those 1st round picks. They can just let role players go as they become too expensive, and replace them with recent 1st round draft picks that will be ready to play a year or two after being drafted. Seems like a pretty good plan!

[Q-is-here]

Let’s start saving assets for when OKC has to trade Chet. There’s no way they can pay those 3 guys that kind of money for the long term. I’d be willing to trade Rudy, Randle, DDV and 4 firsts to get him here.

Chet
Naz
Jaden
Ant
Dilly

With Shannon coming off the bench. Now that’s a championship contender

I don't know about that. OKC has all those 1st round picks. They can just let role players go as they become too expensive, and replace them with recent 1st round draft picks that will be ready to play a year or two after being drafted. Seems like a pretty good plan!

Yeah, they aren't going to let any of those guys go given the track record Presti has in making smart draft picks and the organization's commitment to internal development. Those three are almost the ideal trio to build a team around. They already have Sorber in the pipeline as a replacement for iHart when his salary slot needs to be sacrificed.