Which deal(s) do you like best

[AussieWolf3]

Ok.heres an outline for an off-season set of moves that's probably ridiculous but eh.

Trade Ju to Memphis, Receive Jerome
Trade Rudy to Charlotte for two FRPs.
Extend Ayo
Sign IHart

Obviously there's plenty on the edges to be filed down here, but is this..... Completely far fetched? NBA roster building is completely arcane to me at this point but I think with these deals with those teams we can send out more than we bring in.

There also additional moves to be made there, but I guess for me I'd like to see them liquidate Ju and Rudy into tradable assets that you can hold for now cause I don't like most of the options on the table.

I wouldn't mind Trey Murphy here if he's gettable but apparently the price is gonna be high I guess.

I personally think that lineup, minus Rudy and Julius plus IHart, Ayo, Jerome and Naz already has a higher ceiling than this year's but the floor is likely lower without Rudy

[Monster]

I was looking at various salaries of players in a team and also saw some traded that people proposed and one guy that might be interesting to get back in a Randle deal is Grant Williams. Apparently when healthy he still plays good D and he is a good 3 point shooter with reasonably good volume. I think he might be sort of a Kyle Anderson type impact player when we originally got him as a FA. Of course the difference is Williams brings a guy that spaces the floor. Idk enough about the Hornets to know what they are trying to do with their roster but williams as a rotational depth guy might be the type of reconfigure type move that could pay off. If it doesn't he is a FA after this coming season so you can just move on. The Hornets don't have a use for Randle so they would have to be involved in a multi team deal somehow. Ok that's it I need to stop... Lol

[AussieWolf3]

I was looking at various salaries of players in a team and also saw some traded that people proposed and one guy that might be interesting to get back in a Randle deal is Grant Williams. Apparently when healthy he still plays good D and he is a good 3 point shooter with reasonably good volume. I think he might be sort of a Kyle Anderson type impact player when we originally got him as a FA. Of course the difference is Williams brings a guy that spaces the floor. Idk enough about the Hornets to know what they are trying to do with their roster but williams as a rotational depth guy might be the type of reconfigure type move that could pay off. If it doesn't he is a FA after this coming season so you can just move on. The Hornets don't have a use for Randle so they would have to be involved in a multi team deal somehow. Ok that's it I need to stop... Lol

The Hornets make so much sense if you want to trade Rudy!
They're a top 6 seed the second he hits their roster. Ball would get a lot out of Gobert as lob threat as well.

I don't know how much you can get back for him but if Charlotte is offering multiple first I think you really have to think about it

[rapsuperstar31]

I was looking at various salaries of players in a team and also saw some traded that people proposed and one guy that might be interesting to get back in a Randle deal is Grant Williams. Apparently when healthy he still plays good D and he is a good 3 point shooter with reasonably good volume. I think he might be sort of a Kyle Anderson type impact player when we originally got him as a FA. Of course the difference is Williams brings a guy that spaces the floor. Idk enough about the Hornets to know what they are trying to do with their roster but williams as a rotational depth guy might be the type of reconfigure type move that could pay off. If it doesn't he is a FA after this coming season so you can just move on. The Hornets don't have a use for Randle so they would have to be involved in a multi team deal somehow. Ok that's it I need to stop... Lol

The Hornets make so much sense if you want to trade Rudy!
They're a top 6 seed the second he hits their roster. Ball would get a lot out of Gobert as lob threat as well.

I don't know how much you can get back for him but if Charlotte is offering multiple first I think you really have to think about it

Sounds like they are talking to Sacramento about Sabonis. Sacramento wants one of their picks, and Charlotte doesn't want to give them one so far.

[Wolvesfan21]

I was looking at various salaries of players in a team and also saw some traded that people proposed and one guy that might be interesting to get back in a Randle deal is Grant Williams. Apparently when healthy he still plays good D and he is a good 3 point shooter with reasonably good volume. I think he might be sort of a Kyle Anderson type impact player when we originally got him as a FA. Of course the difference is Williams brings a guy that spaces the floor. Idk enough about the Hornets to know what they are trying to do with their roster but williams as a rotational depth guy might be the type of reconfigure type move that could pay off. If it doesn't he is a FA after this coming season so you can just move on. The Hornets don't have a use for Randle so they would have to be involved in a multi team deal somehow. Ok that's it I need to stop... Lol

The Hornets make so much sense if you want to trade Rudy!
They're a top 6 seed the second he hits their roster. Ball would get a lot out of Gobert as lob threat as well.

I don't know how much you can get back for him but if Charlotte is offering multiple first I think you really have to think about it

I've been a huge Rudy backer but not having a great to elite PG with Rudy is a huge mistake. You need that lob threat passing guy who can get him the ball pinpoint accuracy and touch. We know his hands are poor, which doubles down on the need for a great passing PG who can score also (so the lob is open). Kyrie is one guy I think you can go after.

Him playing with LaMelo makes a lot of sense.

If they trade Ju, keep Rudy and don't get a good to great passing (PG/Player) back then we're officially screwed. The trading for role players for Ju is a massive mistake. Might as well trade Ant too.

I personally think we should trade all of the above, Rudy, Ju and DDV and yes, we're probably going to get a lot worse on defense. Guys will have to step up a lot. But to beat the Spurs and OKC even, I see us needed to go 5 out and just bomb the 3's. You need drive and kick 3P players. Just make the offense so good and hope you can outscore everyone, sure play defense too as much as you can, but that wouldn't be the teams strength anymore.

[Q-is-here]

Yes, Charlotte absolutely is a great destination for Rudy. My thought has always been using Rudy-to-Charlotte as a way to aggregate draft picks and players in order to make a run at Giannis, so it would be some combination of players and assets from our existing roster AND players and draft picks from Charlotte.

The Hornets have two mid first round picks this year and potentially up to three 1st rounders next year. I doubt they have room for all of those picks on their roster when they are looking at becoming a serious contender in the East.

Having said that, is there a scenario where you trade Rudy to Charlotte as a standalone deal without flipping some of those assets for a big name like Giannis?

[AussieWolf3]

Yes, Charlotte absolutely is a great destination for Rudy. My thought has always been using Rudy-to-Charlotte as a way to aggregate draft picks and players in order to make a run at Giannis, so it would be some combination of players and assets from our existing roster AND players and draft picks from Charlotte.

The Hornets have two mid first round picks this year and potentially up to three 1st rounders next year. I doubt they have room for all of those picks on their roster when they are looking at becoming a serious contender in the East.

Having said that, is there a scenario where you trade Rudy to Charlotte as a standalone deal without flipping some of those assets for a big name like Giannis?

That's what I proposed above.
Trade Rudy, gain draft capital, free up cap space for a free agent signing.

The reason I like doing something like this isn't necessarily to go younger and draft a bunch of kids. You could do that, but I'm more interested in liquidating assets so that you can make an aggressive move when the opportunity presentes itself.
Dallas acquired Gafford and other extremely valuable role players that year at the deadline and went on a finals run.

Minnesota can't guarantee the same opportunity but it shows what patience can do. this scenario also gives Naz and Jaden the chance to scale up and show what they can do. We don't know exactly how high they can really go when given the opportunity but I'm absolutely exhausted with hearing how great these guys are and then watching them get reduced to make room for a guy like Randle

[rapsuperstar31]

Yes, Charlotte absolutely is a great destination for Rudy. My thought has always been using Rudy-to-Charlotte as a way to aggregate draft picks and players in order to make a run at Giannis, so it would be some combination of players and assets from our existing roster AND players and draft picks from Charlotte.

The Hornets have two mid first round picks this year and potentially up to three 1st rounders next year. I doubt they have room for all of those picks on their roster when they are looking at becoming a serious contender in the East.

Having said that, is there a scenario where you trade Rudy to Charlotte as a standalone deal without flipping some of those assets for a big name like Giannis?

Possibly in a multi team trade with Gafford and Kyrie coming back to us, and Charlotte sending picks to Dallas, Rudy goes to Charlotte, and Randle goes somewhere. It would probably be bigger maybe adding PJ Washington, Donte and others for salary purposes.

If you could get both Philon and Lendeborg out of the draft by getting both of Charlotte's firsts this year, I would do it. One might be available at 14, but I doubt the other would be there at 18, but maybe you could package 18 and 28 to move up high enough to get both. You end up with your point guard of the future, and multi positional 24 year old forward that won the championship this year at Michigan.

[Q-is-here]

Yes, Charlotte absolutely is a great destination for Rudy. My thought has always been using Rudy-to-Charlotte as a way to aggregate draft picks and players in order to make a run at Giannis, so it would be some combination of players and assets from our existing roster AND players and draft picks from Charlotte.

The Hornets have two mid first round picks this year and potentially up to three 1st rounders next year. I doubt they have room for all of those picks on their roster when they are looking at becoming a serious contender in the East.

Having said that, is there a scenario where you trade Rudy to Charlotte as a standalone deal without flipping some of those assets for a big name like Giannis?

That's what I proposed above.
Trade Rudy, gain draft capital, free up cap space for a free agent signing.

The reason I like doing something like this isn't necessarily to go younger and draft a bunch of kids. You could do that, but I'm more interested in liquidating assets so that you can make an aggressive move when the opportunity presentes itself.
Dallas acquired Gafford and other extremely valuable role players that year at the deadline and went on a finals run.

Minnesota can't guarantee the same opportunity but it shows what patience can do. this scenario also gives Naz and Jaden the chance to scale up and show what they can do. We don't know exactly how high they can really go when given the opportunity but I'm absolutely exhausted with hearing how great these guys are and then watching them get reduced to make room for a guy like Randle

Well, you admittedly left a lot of details out of your proposal(s). You have IHart as the replacement for Rudy, but how do you know OKC doesn't pick up his option? They are far more likely to let Dort walk than IHart IMO.

Are you proposing we hold those two 1sts from Charlotte, draft the BPAs in each spot, and then eventually move them when the opportunity presents itself? Trading Rudy for 1sts, holding them, and then not getting iHart would be a big risk!

My thought, which is also a little fuzzy LOL, is if we can't aggregate Charlotte assets in a trade for Giannis, then we do something like this:

- Rudy to Charlotte
- Grant Williams, Josh Green, Moussa Diabate, and picks #14 and #18 to the Wolves.
- Picks #18 and #28 + Randle to rebuilding Team X for Very Good Vet Player Y. May be it's Irving. May be it's Zion. May be it's Trey Murphy, etc., etc.

It's sort of a balanced approached of getting a quality draft pick (#14), a young and cheaper vet Center to start (Diabate), and some decent depth at PF (Williams) and SG (Green). Now can we pry a really good player from someone if we attach two 1sts to Randle??

[AussieWolf3]

Yes, Charlotte absolutely is a great destination for Rudy. My thought has always been using Rudy-to-Charlotte as a way to aggregate draft picks and players in order to make a run at Giannis, so it would be some combination of players and assets from our existing roster AND players and draft picks from Charlotte.

The Hornets have two mid first round picks this year and potentially up to three 1st rounders next year. I doubt they have room for all of those picks on their roster when they are looking at becoming a serious contender in the East.

Having said that, is there a scenario where you trade Rudy to Charlotte as a standalone deal without flipping some of those assets for a big name like Giannis?

That's what I proposed above.
Trade Rudy, gain draft capital, free up cap space for a free agent signing.

The reason I like doing something like this isn't necessarily to go younger and draft a bunch of kids. You could do that, but I'm more interested in liquidating assets so that you can make an aggressive move when the opportunity presentes itself.
Dallas acquired Gafford and other extremely valuable role players that year at the deadline and went on a finals run.

Minnesota can't guarantee the same opportunity but it shows what patience can do. this scenario also gives Naz and Jaden the chance to scale up and show what they can do. We don't know exactly how high they can really go when given the opportunity but I'm absolutely exhausted with hearing how great these guys are and then watching them get reduced to make room for a guy like Randle

Well, you admittedly left a lot of details out of your proposal(s). You have IHart as the replacement for Rudy, but how do you know OKC doesn't pick up his option? They are far more likely to let Dort walk than IHart IMO.

Are you proposing we hold those two 1sts from Charlotte, draft the BPAs in each spot, and then eventually move them when the opportunity presents itself? Trading Rudy for 1sts, holding them, and then not getting iHart would be a big risk!

My thought, which is also a little fuzzy LOL, is if we can't aggregate Charlotte assets in a trade for Giannis, then we do something like this:

- Rudy to Charlotte
- Grant Williams, Josh Green, Moussa Diabate, and picks #14 and #18 to the Wolves.
- Picks #18 and #28 + Randle to rebuilding Team X for Very Good Vet Player Y. May be it's Irving. May be it's Zion. May be it's Trey Murphy, etc., etc.

It's sort of a balanced approached of getting a quality draft pick (#14), a young and cheaper vet Center to start (Diabate), and some decent depth at PF (Williams) and SG (Green). Now can we pry a really good player from someone if we attach two 1sts to Randle??

Lol yes I left an enormous amount of detail out. NBA roster rules are exhausting to me and I just have no interest or brain space for its minutia.

I did a quick Google search before posting an the scuttle butt is that OKC is unlikely to pickup either option for Dort or Hart. The deadline for his option is June 28th, which is after the draft, so I guess my plan wouldn't work. Honestly tho I would almost prefer waiting until after the extension decision to pull a Rudy move, either get the rookies acquired this year or get future draft picks which would be really useful for a move at the deadline. I'm pretty sure it's impossible to time out moving Rudy and signing IHart, but that would be an ideal situation imo. Hart is much much much better on the short roll, is as good of a screener and still a very very good rim protector--- younger as well. So future draft capital plus IHart is better than holding Rudy, but not so much so that you have to do it.

Again, it's probably not possible, so I don't really know what to do with my "plan" it's just the fuzzy, 2 dimensional outline for how I'd approach things