Giannis Trade Discussion

[AussieWolf3]

Isn't Giannis pretty um ... Displeased with Turner? Good fit on paper, but yeah idk.

If you can keep Jaden, you make the trade, and honestly if you keep Naz and lose Jaden that could be worth it too, but it would hurt more

[Q-is-here]

If we can get Giannis and keep all of those four key guys, then kudos to TC. But I don’t think Rudy and Randle will generate enough of the types of assets Milwaukee would expect in return.

Probably not....may be not...but whatever assets we get from a 3rd team for Rudy + Randle + our 1st round pick this year + our 2033 unprotected + Shannon....that ain't bad!

I had completely dismissed the Giannis-to-Wolves talk awhile ago as "quite unlikely". But for some reason I have reengaged on the idea. Here is an interesting observation: Rudy, Randle and NAZ for Giannis and Turner works financially, and would even save the Wolves about 8 mil to spend elsewhere. While the Bucks would only have interest in NAZ, Rudy and Randle could be sent elsewhere to get the Bucks players/picks to their liking, plus the pick or two the Wolves can include. It suddenly doesn't seem as impossible as I previously thought. And with TC at the helm...

Finch mentioned in a recent KFAN interview how Shannon can be part of the ball-handling solution. That's a main backcourt rotation of Ayo, ANT and Shannon. Giannis, Turner and Joan are the main frontcourt rotation. Jaden is still here at the wing, and the roster is filled out with vet minimums (SloMo, Bones and/or Mike are solid choices). I would be on board with all of that!

You're back on the bus Tim, welcome!

[Monster]

If we can get Giannis and keep all of those four key guys, then kudos to TC. But I don’t think Rudy and Randle will generate enough of the types of assets Milwaukee would expect in return.

Probably not....may be not...but whatever assets we get from a 3rd team for Rudy + Randle + our 1st round pick this year + our 2033 unprotected + Shannon....that ain't bad!

I had completely dismissed the Giannis-to-Wolves talk awhile ago as "quite unlikely". But for some reason I have reengaged on the idea. Here is an interesting observation: Rudy, Randle and NAZ for Giannis and Turner works financially, and would even save the Wolves about 8 mil to spend elsewhere. While the Bucks would only have interest in NAZ, Rudy and Randle could be sent elsewhere to get the Bucks players/picks to their liking, plus the pick or two the Wolves can include. It suddenly doesn't seem as impossible as I previously thought. And with TC at the helm...

Finch mentioned in a recent KFAN interview how Shannon can be part of the ball-handling solution. That's a main backcourt rotation of Ayo, ANT and Shannon. Giannis, Turner and Joan are the main frontcourt rotation. Jaden is still here at the wing, and the roster is filled out with vet minimums (SloMo, Bones and/or Mike are solid choices). I would be on board with all of that!

You have to ask yourself is that more compelling than the reported Heat offer that Milwaukee hasn't taken yet. Herro is probably similar in value to Randle but is younger and Ware And Jaquez are cheap and shown they can already play. Plus #13 plus whatever other picks/pick swaps. The Bucks might be able to get another young player out of the deal too. If I was the Bucks I would take that over the package centered around Naz and trying to find picks for Randle and Rudy unless their value is much higher than I expect.

To be honest the Heat package while not wildly thrilling ain't terrible considering the situation the Bucks are in. They don't have incredible leverage especially since teams aren't gonna give up all the things without Giannis saying yeah I want to be there long term. That package could end up looking underwhelming a couple years from now but let's be honest a lot of the trades for star players don't work out to being back a high impact player. After all the things with Jimmy Butler the Wolves ended up with Jaden McDaniels. They should have been able to get more out of it than that and if you go down some rabbit holes you could say they have (Especially if you consider past players that contributed in previous seasons) but I'd take just getting Jaden out of the deal and be reasonably happy.

[WildWolf2813]

Probably not....may be not...but whatever assets we get from a 3rd team for Rudy + Randle + our 1st round pick this year + our 2033 unprotected + Shannon....that ain't bad!

I had completely dismissed the Giannis-to-Wolves talk awhile ago as "quite unlikely". But for some reason I have reengaged on the idea. Here is an interesting observation: Rudy, Randle and NAZ for Giannis and Turner works financially, and would even save the Wolves about 8 mil to spend elsewhere. While the Bucks would only have interest in NAZ, Rudy and Randle could be sent elsewhere to get the Bucks players/picks to their liking, plus the pick or two the Wolves can include. It suddenly doesn't seem as impossible as I previously thought. And with TC at the helm...

Finch mentioned in a recent KFAN interview how Shannon can be part of the ball-handling solution. That's a main backcourt rotation of Ayo, ANT and Shannon. Giannis, Turner and Joan are the main frontcourt rotation. Jaden is still here at the wing, and the roster is filled out with vet minimums (SloMo, Bones and/or Mike are solid choices). I would be on board with all of that!

You have to ask yourself is that more compelling than the reported Heat offer that Milwaukee hasn't taken yet. Herro is probably similar in value to Randle but is younger and Ware And Jaquez are cheap and shown they can already play. Plus #13 plus whatever other picks/pick swaps. The Bucks might be able to get another young player out of the deal too. If I was the Bucks I would take that over the package centered around Naz and trying to find picks for Randle and Rudy unless their value is much higher than I expect.

To be honest the Heat package while not wildly thrilling ain't terrible considering the situation the Bucks are in. They don't have incredible leverage especially since teams aren't gonna give up all the things without Giannis saying yeah I want to be there long term. That package could end up looking underwhelming a couple years from now but let's be honest a lot of the trades for star players don't work out to being back a high impact player. After all the things with Jimmy Butler the Wolves ended up with Jaden McDaniels. They should have been able to get more out of it than that and if you go down some rabbit holes you could say they have (Especially if you consider past players that contributed in previous seasons) but I'd take just getting Jaden out of the deal and be reasonably happy.

Wouldn't the Bucks want Herro for the same reason we think Dallas would be fine taking Randle back in a Kyrie trade?

[Monster]

I had completely dismissed the Giannis-to-Wolves talk awhile ago as "quite unlikely". But for some reason I have reengaged on the idea. Here is an interesting observation: Rudy, Randle and NAZ for Giannis and Turner works financially, and would even save the Wolves about 8 mil to spend elsewhere. While the Bucks would only have interest in NAZ, Rudy and Randle could be sent elsewhere to get the Bucks players/picks to their liking, plus the pick or two the Wolves can include. It suddenly doesn't seem as impossible as I previously thought. And with TC at the helm...

Finch mentioned in a recent KFAN interview how Shannon can be part of the ball-handling solution. That's a main backcourt rotation of Ayo, ANT and Shannon. Giannis, Turner and Joan are the main frontcourt rotation. Jaden is still here at the wing, and the roster is filled out with vet minimums (SloMo, Bones and/or Mike are solid choices). I would be on board with all of that!

You have to ask yourself is that more compelling than the reported Heat offer that Milwaukee hasn't taken yet. Herro is probably similar in value to Randle but is younger and Ware And Jaquez are cheap and shown they can already play. Plus #13 plus whatever other picks/pick swaps. The Bucks might be able to get another young player out of the deal too. If I was the Bucks I would take that over the package centered around Naz and trying to find picks for Randle and Rudy unless their value is much higher than I expect.

To be honest the Heat package while not wildly thrilling ain't terrible considering the situation the Bucks are in. They don't have incredible leverage especially since teams aren't gonna give up all the things without Giannis saying yeah I want to be there long term. That package could end up looking underwhelming a couple years from now but let's be honest a lot of the trades for star players don't work out to being back a high impact player. After all the things with Jimmy Butler the Wolves ended up with Jaden McDaniels. They should have been able to get more out of it than that and if you go down some rabbit holes you could say they have (Especially if you consider past players that contributed in previous seasons) but I'd take just getting Jaden out of the deal and be reasonably happy.

Wouldn't the Bucks want Herro for the same reason we think Dallas would be fine taking Randle back in a Kyrie trade?

Oh I think the Bucks would be much more interested in having Herro at his age than a deal where the Mavs would taking back Randle when they already have a younger PJ Washington that fits around various players easily and is making quite a bit less money. Honestly Herro might actually compare closer to Naz as a young player but I was kinda making the point of Herro being worth more to the Bucks than Randle plus they get at least 2 other young cheap players than Naz and a better draft pick.

[60WinTim]

It sounds like people are back to assuming Giannis is going to Miami.

[WildWolf2813]

from what I've gathered, the reason why we're considered still in it is because Milwaukee really likes our offer. However, it's up to Giannis and he might not wanna re-sign with us.

Sounds exactly like what happened last year with KD.

If this happens for the 2nd straight summer with one of the best players in the league, we can seriously question whether big time players do wanna play alongside Ant in Minnesota.

[rapsuperstar31]

from what I've gathered, the reason why we're considered still in it is because Milwaukee really likes our offer. However, it's up to Giannis and he might not wanna re-sign with us.

Sounds exactly like what happened last year with KD.

If this happens for the 2nd straight summer with one of the best players in the league, we can seriously question whether big time players do wanna play alongside Ant in Minnesota.

Maybe, I mean KG was a top 25ish player to ever play the game, and he couldn't get even middling players to want to come here the entire time he was here. Giannis has come out and said Ant is favorite player in the league. Is playing with his favorite player in the league in the cold, more important to him than living in Miami with no income tax, or an NBA team in Boston that has won 18 NBA championships.

[Lipoli390]

from what I've gathered, the reason why we're considered still in it is because Milwaukee really likes our offer. However, it's up to Giannis and he might not wanna re-sign with us.

Sounds exactly like what happened last year with KD.

If this happens for the 2nd straight summer with one of the best players in the league, we can seriously question whether big time players do wanna play alongside Ant in Minnesota.

The fact that the Bucks really like the Wolves offer is what scares me and has me hoping Giannis says no just as Durant did last season. Durant saved Tim Connelly from himself. Durant went to Houston and they had the same record as the year before even with the maturation of their young players. Meanwhile, the Suns were much better without Durant.

I’m hoping reports that the Bucks love the Wolves offer are untrue because I want to believe in Tim Connelly in spite of his overpay for Rudy that depleted our draft coffers and put us in cap hell and in spite of TC’s repeated swings and misses in the draft, including his trade up for Rob Dillingham.

[WildWolf2813]

from what I've gathered, the reason why we're considered still in it is because Milwaukee really likes our offer. However, it's up to Giannis and he might not wanna re-sign with us.

Sounds exactly like what happened last year with KD.

If this happens for the 2nd straight summer with one of the best players in the league, we can seriously question whether big time players do wanna play alongside Ant in Minnesota.

The fact that the Bucks really like the Wolves offer is what scares me and has me hoping Giannis says no just as Durant did last season. Durant saved Tim Connelly from himself. Durant went to Houston and they had the same record as the year before even with the maturation of their young players. Meanwhile, the Suns were much better without Durant.

I’m hoping reports that the Bucks love the Wolves offer are untrue because I want to believe in Tim Connelly in spite of his overpay for Rudy that depleted our draft coffers and put us in cap hell and in spite of TC’s repeated swings and misses in the draft, including his trade up for Rob Dillingham.

Connelly is in a tough spot.

The 2nd option on this team isn't here. Giannis would fill that. The reason why some of us are against it is because we have no faith in TC"s team building.

If he doesn't make this trade, ok. I don't expect it, but then what's the plan?

Too much activity = bad
not enough activity = also bad.


He has to be measured this summer.