Wolves Offseason Point Guard Options

[AussieWolf3]

If you told me that Julius just want to win, is a locker room leader and has a high bbiq than I could buy into this idea of "be careful what you wish for" and I'd even advocate for the idea that he'd be brought back in a different role that emphasises defense, ball facilitation, and rebounding.

But that's not Randle
You know what Randle would be great at on this team? First guy off the bench for Rudy. He'd be awesome in that role!
That isn't happening just because of how the NBA works and what his contract is.

But more to the point, the more we learn about him, or at least what is indicated, he just isn't a guy who you want on a roster with championship aspirations. So to me, he truly is an addition by subtraction asset

[AussieWolf3]

https://www.canishoopus.com/timberwolve ... ny-edwards

Makes a really great argument for Sugg, and I recommend reading the whole thing --- it's a quick read --- however this is news to me

"Second, he is also a deceptively good shooter. I know people are seeing the 33% three point percentage, and I refuse to invalidate a full season’s worth of numbers on a whim, but his shot diet last year was the type of thing you’d expect for a shot creator, not a supplementary option like what Suggs is.

He hit 39.2% of his catch and shoot threes last year and shot 40.7% from three overall just three short years ago. Between injuries and inconsistent usage, his numbers have struggled but he is still quite good in that regard."

[Monster]

If you told me that Julius just want to win, is a locker room leader and has a high bbiq than I could buy into this idea of "be careful what you wish for" and I'd even advocate for the idea that he'd be brought back in a different role that emphasises defense, ball facilitation, and rebounding.

But that's not Randle
You know what Randle would be great at on this team? First guy off the bench for Rudy. He'd be awesome in that role!
That isn't happening just because of how the NBA works and what his contract is.

But more to the point, the more we learn about him, or at least what is indicated, he just isn't a guy who you want on a roster with championship aspirations. So to me, he truly is an addition by subtraction asset

I think your position is fair and I wouldn't completely disagree with you and honestly I don't land too far from where you are at. However let's also realize he is being asked to be the 2nd or 3rd best player on a championship team. Towns scored 13ppg in the finals and OG scored 21ppg. Towns did other stuff but imagine Randle having at least one other guy scoring and doing that much next to him. Randle his first year later in the regular season was doing some of what you (and I) likely would want him to do taking fewer shots moving the ball attacking quickly etc. Then he hit the Lakers series was ballin out of his mind and also had a great matchup again the Lakers players and their poor defense. He was still a focal point against GS and then OKC was just a different team all together. He was out of that groove of playing a little more complimentary role and OKC was a team poised to take you out even if you were in it.

This year he ended up having a load because the Wolves had no true PG and it's not like the guys playing that spot were very consistent scorers. Ayo might have been at least some of the answer there but he was added late (Edwards was also out) and then against the Spurs he was likely not completely healthy. Ideally last year TSJ would have helped more too but he was injured. I think Randle IF a team actually had players to size down his role some he might actually be capable of doing so. He is a pretty good floor raiser because despite all his flaws he is a winning player and I don't think he is bad guy. I'm not saying he is a championship level guy but I think it's going to far to say he isn't. I'm cool with moving on from him but he is a winning basketball player. I'm not making a case that he should be brought back but that he is valuable basketball player even if he did kinda seem to take his ball and go home...

Ultimately to me it seems like either he or Rudy being traded makes sense because the Wolves have Naz, Berigner and maybe even Rocco as guys who can get minutes this coming year. Plus if you move Randle you probably can bring back Anderson for a vet min and he can bring some of what Randle did for less a 10th of the price in terms of the cap and you don't have to play him 30mpg. Naz while maybe not as good as Randle (debatable) but is a floor spacer and compliments players. Then the Wolves have 2 possible options for a current or future center. At this point their best option for guard next to Edwards is Ayo who they haven't even resigned yet. This whole thread is about finding a guard next to Edwards. This been something that has been needed for years especially once they decided Russell wasn't the guy and they were absolutely right about that one and sold high. Moving Randle or Rudy to get another player who might be that guy makes a lot of sense. The Wolves working out a guard prospect that's supposed to go like 10 picks before their current pick definitely make it seems like the organization thinks it's an important spot to fill which I mean isn't a surprise. Lol

[60WinTim]

Q!!!! I just noticed you did not include Giddey in your list! But I guess there wasn't a lot of reason to think he was available. Being he has been tossed out there as a possible target, you should edit your first post to add Giddey's numbers.

Future mentioned him earlier on in this thread. After doing my due diligence, Giddey is #1 on my list of preferred ball handlers.

[Mnwild1128]

If you told me that Julius just want to win, is a locker room leader and has a high bbiq than I could buy into this idea of "be careful what you wish for" and I'd even advocate for the idea that he'd be brought back in a different role that emphasises defense, ball facilitation, and rebounding.

But that's not Randle
You know what Randle would be great at on this team? First guy off the bench for Rudy. He'd be awesome in that role!
That isn't happening just because of how the NBA works and what his contract is.

But more to the point, the more we learn about him, or at least what is indicated, he just isn't a guy who you want on a roster with championship aspirations. So to me, he truly is an addition by subtraction asset

Yeah well, I already knew all this about Randle which is why he was on my 10 player list of guys i never would want on my Wolves. And was adamently against it for several seasons when people were floating Kat trades of Randle/Quickly. Stuff like that. Even as someone who wanted to move on from Towns i hated that trade idea then. And hate it all the same after the fact.

Now the same thing is happening even though i don't want Randle, with the PG options. EXTREMELY flawed or worrisome players being bandied about. Whether old age. Overpaid. Coming off major injuries or just flat out injury prone. One way players. I would rather just wait for the deadline or next summer for the next batch of different players looking to be moved. Cause this summer aint it! Now, if you come to me with a Randle trade that is not for a PG (Suggs, Giddey, Moron, Fox, Kyrie), i will listen to those.

[60WinTim]

It's just Sidery, so I assume we can ignore this:

Evan Sidery
A potential swap of Derrick White for Naz Reid and draft capital is picking up some steam behind the scenes.

If the Celtics acquire Giannis Antetokounmpo, Reid would be a fantastic stretch five fit alongside him.


I will say that NAZ is a good fit alongside Giannis...

[Phenom]

It's just Sidery, so I assume we can ignore this:

Evan Sidery
A potential swap of Derrick White for Naz Reid and draft capital is picking up some steam behind the scenes.

If the Celtics acquire Giannis Antetokounmpo, Reid would be a fantastic stretch five fit alongside him.


I will say that NAZ is a good fit alongside Giannis...

I'm not feeling the "and" draft capital there.

[Lipoli390]

It's just Sidery, so I assume we can ignore this:

Evan Sidery
A potential swap of Derrick White for Naz Reid and draft capital is picking up some steam behind the scenes.

If the Celtics acquire Giannis Antetokounmpo, Reid would be a fantastic stretch five fit alongside him.


I will say that NAZ is a good fit alongside Giannis...

I'm not feeling the "and" draft capital there.

I’m feeling it. Keep in mind the Celtics have the #27 pick in this year’s draft. So if it is simply Naz for White and #27, that make sense since the value of that pick isn’t great.

I like Derrick White a lot, but I think he’s a bit overrated. The Spurs shopped and traded him when he was in the core of his prime. That organization tends to do a superb job of valuing talent, especially if it’s their own. White has been terrific for Boston, but Jrue Holiday was the starting PG when the Celtics won the title a few years ago on a team that featured to stars in Tatum and Brown. Last season, White’s field goal percentage was under 40. That’s really bad. So yes, I still value him and would like to see him come here. But Naz Reid is 4 years younger than White and a career 37% 3-point shooter with unique ball-handling and mobility for a player his size.

[kekgeek]

Trae Young agrees to a 4 year max. What an overpay

[Phenom]

It's just Sidery, so I assume we can ignore this:

Evan Sidery
A potential swap of Derrick White for Naz Reid and draft capital is picking up some steam behind the scenes.

If the Celtics acquire Giannis Antetokounmpo, Reid would be a fantastic stretch five fit alongside him.


I will say that NAZ is a good fit alongside Giannis...

I'm not feeling the "and" draft capital there.

I’m feeling it. Keep in mind the Celtics have the #27 pick in this year’s draft. So if it is simply Naz for White and #27, that make sense since the value of that pick isn’t great.

I like Derrick White a lot, but I think he’s a bit overrated. The Spurs shopped and traded him when he was in the core of his prime. That organization tends to do a superb job of valuing talent, especially if it’s their own. White has been terrific for Boston, but Jrue Holiday was the starting PG when the Celtics won the title a few years ago on a team that featured to stars in Tatum and Brown. Last season, White’s field goal percentage was under 40. That’s really bad. So yes, I still value him and would like to see him come here. But Naz Reid is 4 years younger than White and a career 37% 3-point shooter with unique ball-handling and mobility for a player his size.

I read it as Naz plus draft capital for White, not the other way around.