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FNG wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 10:24 am
Wolvesfan21 wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 9:28 am
mjs34 wrote: Fri May 23, 2025 11:01 pm Going back and looking at regular season games has us playing well by giving Clark, Shannon, Dilly and Garza significant minutes, while not even having Rudy and Julius available other than the first game which we lost due to getting runover in the third quarter. Sounds familiar!

This is why I am not a fan of Finch. He continues to try the same thing over and over. Definition of insanity.
It HAS worked though. Up to this point at least, you're the historically worst franchise in NBA history making the WCF twice in a row.

Was 1 game enough sample size to say we should try and switch it up, roll with more JC or TSJ, even Garza??? Not to me.

I do think now you see how the game goes in game 3 and have levers ready to pull like TSJ. You probably at this point need a spark and a dman near miracle to win 4 out of 5 and clinch the series.
Exactly what I think, WF. What TC and Finchy have done turning this franchise around is extraordinary, and losing to a generationally talented elite team will not change my opinion…even if it’s a sweep or 5 gamer. We share our opinions here, and that’s fine. But I always get a kick out of guys who are so certain they know more than the coach…thinking you’re smarter than an NBA coach who has taken his team to the conference finals 2 years in a row is the real definition of insanity.
I get a kick out of guys who bury their noses up GM's a**es. Maybe it is because we have different definitions of "extraordinary". I don't think taking over a team who previously won 46 games and three years later have won 49 while putting us in cap hell and mortgaging our future by giving up multiple first round picks qualifies as "extraordinary". Anyone with any sense would realize the improvement with this team is due to Ant and Jaden developing.
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mjs34 wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 1:03 pm
FNG wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 10:24 am
Wolvesfan21 wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 9:28 am

It HAS worked though. Up to this point at least, you're the historically worst franchise in NBA history making the WCF twice in a row.

Was 1 game enough sample size to say we should try and switch it up, roll with more JC or TSJ, even Garza??? Not to me.

I do think now you see how the game goes in game 3 and have levers ready to pull like TSJ. You probably at this point need a spark and a dman near miracle to win 4 out of 5 and clinch the series.
Exactly what I think, WF. What TC and Finchy have done turning this franchise around is extraordinary, and losing to a generationally talented elite team will not change my opinion…even if it’s a sweep or 5 gamer. We share our opinions here, and that’s fine. But I always get a kick out of guys who are so certain they know more than the coach…thinking you’re smarter than an NBA coach who has taken his team to the conference finals 2 years in a row is the real definition of insanity.
I get a kick out of guys who bury their noses up GM's a**es. Maybe it is because we have different definitions of "extraordinary". I don't think taking over a team who previously won 46 games and three years later have won 49 while putting us in cap hell and mortgaging our future by giving up multiple first round picks qualifies as "extraordinary". Anyone with any sense would realize the improvement with this team is due to Ant and Jaden developing.
46 games was an anomaly and that teams ceiling!!! Don't forget they played their asses off all year then got punked in the first round. That squad was NEVER a team who ever was on a path to contend for a title.

Doing nothing that offseason and everyone on here said that we'd probably miss the playoffs the next year, but for sure get worse as the West was loading up. Remember most of these guys we let go who started or played a bunch for that mythical 46 win squad are now either are out of the league or bench guys for middling squads.

What matters? Regular season or playoff success? An actual chance to contend? For me and for Ant I think the regular season is a warm up for the playoffs, which it really is anyways. However we can argue that it's probably better to take regular season games a little more seriously and build even better habits seeing how a team like OKC plays.

Now we can argue if going for it with a Rudy trade and subsequent Ju/DDV trade was smart. But you still have to accept reality. Not many teams that win 46 games ever do get a chance to become better. Not to mention keeping Finch and his staff who have nothing to do with Ant and Jadens development either, that is all on the players, nothing to do with TC or Finch. lol

Think of that Memphis squad who beat us down, who is on a better path today? US or them? I love the moves that TC has made and while I'm not happy with a likely WCF loss again, it's still better then 26 other teams.
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Wolvesfan21 wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 2:14 pm
mjs34 wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 1:03 pm
FNG wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 10:24 am

Exactly what I think, WF. What TC and Finchy have done turning this franchise around is extraordinary, and losing to a generationally talented elite team will not change my opinion…even if it’s a sweep or 5 gamer. We share our opinions here, and that’s fine. But I always get a kick out of guys who are so certain they know more than the coach…thinking you’re smarter than an NBA coach who has taken his team to the conference finals 2 years in a row is the real definition of insanity.
I get a kick out of guys who bury their noses up GM's a**es. Maybe it is because we have different definitions of "extraordinary". I don't think taking over a team who previously won 46 games and three years later have won 49 while putting us in cap hell and mortgaging our future by giving up multiple first round picks qualifies as "extraordinary". Anyone with any sense would realize the improvement with this team is due to Ant and Jaden developing.
46 games was an anomaly and that teams ceiling!!! Don't forget they played their asses off all year then got punked in the first round. That squad was NEVER a team who ever was on a path to contend for a title.

Doing nothing that offseason and everyone on here said that we'd probably miss the playoffs the next year, but for sure get worse as the West was loading up. Remember most of these guys we let go who started or played a bunch for that mythical 46 win squad are now either are out of the league or bench guys for middling squads.

What matters? Regular season or playoff success? An actual chance to contend? For me and for Ant I think the regular season is a warm up for the playoffs, which it really is anyways. However we can argue that it's probably better to take regular season games a little more seriously and build even better habits seeing how a team like OKC plays.

Now we can argue if going for it with a Rudy trade and subsequent Ju/DDV trade was smart. But you still have to accept reality. Not many teams that win 46 games ever do get a chance to become better. Not to mention keeping Finch and his staff who have nothing to do with Ant and Jadens development either, that is all on the players, nothing to do with TC or Finch. lol

Think of that Memphis squad who beat us down, who is on a better path today? US or them? I love the moves that TC has made and while I'm not happy with a likely WCF loss again, it's still better then 26 other teams.
THe anomaly was two wins under our expected total according to BBREF, and how could it be our ceiling when ant and jaden were in their second seasons?

There is very good chance we don't make the WCF this season if Steph doesn't go down in the first quarter of game 1.

As far as Memphis, I would put us on a similar path other than we have Ant who I believe has a higher ceiling than Morant. Memphis has their three top guys signed for 100 mil next year leaving room to add 50 mil salary and still be in line with us. Considering the two teams were virtually a wash in the reg season and they got the unlucky draw of OKC, I dont really see any difference.
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mjs34 wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 3:13 pm
Wolvesfan21 wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 2:14 pm
mjs34 wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 1:03 pm

I get a kick out of guys who bury their noses up GM's a**es. Maybe it is because we have different definitions of "extraordinary". I don't think taking over a team who previously won 46 games and three years later have won 49 while putting us in cap hell and mortgaging our future by giving up multiple first round picks qualifies as "extraordinary". Anyone with any sense would realize the improvement with this team is due to Ant and Jaden developing.
46 games was an anomaly and that teams ceiling!!! Don't forget they played their asses off all year then got punked in the first round. That squad was NEVER a team who ever was on a path to contend for a title.

Doing nothing that offseason and everyone on here said that we'd probably miss the playoffs the next year, but for sure get worse as the West was loading up. Remember most of these guys we let go who started or played a bunch for that mythical 46 win squad are now either are out of the league or bench guys for middling squads.

What matters? Regular season or playoff success? An actual chance to contend? For me and for Ant I think the regular season is a warm up for the playoffs, which it really is anyways. However we can argue that it's probably better to take regular season games a little more seriously and build even better habits seeing how a team like OKC plays.

Now we can argue if going for it with a Rudy trade and subsequent Ju/DDV trade was smart. But you still have to accept reality. Not many teams that win 46 games ever do get a chance to become better. Not to mention keeping Finch and his staff who have nothing to do with Ant and Jadens development either, that is all on the players, nothing to do with TC or Finch. lol

Think of that Memphis squad who beat us down, who is on a better path today? US or them? I love the moves that TC has made and while I'm not happy with a likely WCF loss again, it's still better then 26 other teams.
THe anomaly was two wins under our expected total according to BBREF, and how could it be our ceiling when ant and jaden were in their second seasons?

There is very good chance we don't make the WCF this season if Steph doesn't go down in the first quarter of game 1.

As far as Memphis, I would put us on a similar path other than we have Ant who I believe has a higher ceiling than Morant. Memphis has their three top guys signed for 100 mil next year leaving room to add 50 mil salary and still be in line with us. Considering the two teams were virtually a wash in the reg season and they got the unlucky draw of OKC, I dont really see any difference.
It was that teams ceiling because like I said those players we traded away, are NOT doing jack shit around the league. Nor are those last few late first round picks likely going to amount to anything either. Because most don't!

We essentially gave up a large amount of stale bread crumbs for a juicy steak (Gobert) who is on a very fair contract going forward (knokc on woods he stays healthy).

It gave us the chance to contend not only last year but this year as well. Actually winning 4 playoff series is not nothing. It also provides Ant and Jaden along with anyone else who is on this squad going forward valuable experience. It's easier to see them take another step if they fail this year towards winning it all next or in the next few. I think you have to keep putting yourself in the position to succeed, rather then just wait for Ant to turn 26 or 27 then go for it.

I like the experience he's getting.
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What's funny is I am seeing some talk about the Knicks may need to move off of KAT because they just aren't very good on the defensive end. Good luck moving that contract!

I still think the Wolves were fortunate to move off of KAT with as much return as they got. The salary cap hell they were headed for would have sunk this team.
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60WinTim wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 3:54 pm What's funny is I am seeing some talk about the Knicks may need to move off of KAT because they just aren't very good on the defensive end. Good luck moving that contract!

I still think the Wolves were fortunate to move off of KAT with as much return as they got. The salary cap hell they were headed for would have sunk this team.
It was sad to see Indy ruthlessly target KAT on defense last night, and Thibs was clearly pissed post game (it was about the crabbiest I've ever seen him, and that's a high bar!). He drove to the basket well last night, but he just hasn't been a prolific 3-point shooter this post season...I think Julius has as many made threes as KAT in far fewer games. And with his poor defense, he's not a very positive force if he's not making his treys.
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mjs34 wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 1:03 pm
FNG wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 10:24 am
Wolvesfan21 wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 9:28 am

It HAS worked though. Up to this point at least, you're the historically worst franchise in NBA history making the WCF twice in a row.

Was 1 game enough sample size to say we should try and switch it up, roll with more JC or TSJ, even Garza??? Not to me.

I do think now you see how the game goes in game 3 and have levers ready to pull like TSJ. You probably at this point need a spark and a dman near miracle to win 4 out of 5 and clinch the series.
Exactly what I think, WF. What TC and Finchy have done turning this franchise around is extraordinary, and losing to a generationally talented elite team will not change my opinion…even if it’s a sweep or 5 gamer. We share our opinions here, and that’s fine. But I always get a kick out of guys who are so certain they know more than the coach…thinking you’re smarter than an NBA coach who has taken his team to the conference finals 2 years in a row is the real definition of insanity.
I get a kick out of guys who bury their noses up GM's a**es. Maybe it is because we have different definitions of "extraordinary". I don't think taking over a team who previously won 46 games and three years later have won 49 while putting us in cap hell and mortgaging our future by giving up multiple first round picks qualifies as "extraordinary". Anyone with any sense would realize the improvement with this team is due to Ant and Jaden developing.
Whatever the opposite of a fair weather fan is, that's the category you and KG4Ever belong to. I suspect we won't hear anything from you or KG tonight since the Wolves looked dominant.
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60WinTim wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 3:54 pm What's funny is I am seeing some talk about the Knicks may need to move off of KAT because they just aren't very good on the defensive end. Good luck moving that contract!

I still think the Wolves were fortunate to move off of KAT with as much return as they got. The salary cap hell they were headed for would have sunk this team.
The NY heel turn on KAT has officially begun
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Can we get the "Extender" in here for Monday night's game?
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Coolbreeze44 wrote: Sat May 24, 2025 11:19 pm Can we get the "Extender" in here for Monday night's game?
That would be great!

Cool, terrific win last night...sets us up for an exciting Game 4. I love this team, but you and I differ on how good the Thunder are. SGA was miked up on the bench in the 4th quarter, and the determination in his voice and positive demeanor as he talked to the player next to them about what they need to do scared me. I thought they played soft last night, and I'm afraid we are going to see a completely different OkC team Monday night. But if the Wolves come out as inspired as they were in this game, we can hang with them. I still think OkC is a super team, and a 4-1 outcome is the most likely. But I've never wanted more to be wrong.
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